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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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with open arms and applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the RA the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global rain

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you listening today too

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with jimmy touch only game change in

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that word

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good evening fade to black

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for Masse's

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yeah

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it it does mass's I love Frank Zappa

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today's Monday January 7th 2019 just

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seven days into the new year 358 days

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left as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network in kg ra the

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planets hi I'm your host Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how are you doing all right 2019 lays

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out in front of us and we've got our

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sights laser focused on 2019 tonight

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I've been looking forward to this show

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for a few years now Isaac

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Arthur is finally here and tonight we're

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gonna discuss alien technology we're

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gonna discuss faster-than-light space

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travel we're gonna talk about ET contact

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and with Isaac now that's just like

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three things I'm laying out there on the

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table with Isaac and if you're familiar

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with Isaac you know that we can go in

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any direction tonight and most likely we

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will now if I can get these three

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subjects in with Isaac we're all winners

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and I'm gonna knock this one out of the

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park tonight with all of you but Isaac

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is one of the brightest one of the best

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and since the very beginning of his

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presentations he had me and Rita has

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endured Isaac over the years many many

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many nights many repeats I just go back

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and I listen to him over and over again

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and my favorite way of his his material

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is I listen to it in the dark without

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the visuals I I've got you know I go

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back and I watch him but I really absorb

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his stuff when I just listen to it

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he is absolutely amazing and just look

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forward to this tonight and this is

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gonna be one of those shows you're gonna

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listen to over and over again we're

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gonna have Isaac on again very soon

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because there's other subjects that we

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need to get into and get into rather

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deeply and he is the absolute best

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now I am sure that tonight on the show

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as you listen to Arthur and I talk and

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have our conversation where you're gonna

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go ow

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that's where Jimmy is getting this oh I

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get well yeah okay I listen to Isaac a

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lot but the other thing that I enjoy

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about Isaac is that the first time that

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I listen to them and and if you go back

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to fade to black you know you go back

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years ago and and the things that I

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presented and where my mind was going

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you know that's and I was always in

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search of right well I found Isaac and

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I'm listening to him like listen this

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guy gets it

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he gets me this is what I enjoy this is

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right on this is perfect

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well that's what's gonna happen tonight

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and I'm really looking forward to this

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all right now tomorrow night now talk

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about an amazing week here on fader

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block tomorrow night another first-time

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guest

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Carolyn Ford is here that's right the

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guardian of Einstein the ancient crystal

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skull of consciousness that's right

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Carolyn Ford is with us tomorrow so

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we're gonna do a full night of crystal

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skulls and everybody knows we've got a

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lot of crystal skulls and here's Jose

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Jose grew up sitting next to Einstein

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and I was talking to Carolyn and about

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about Jose Jose Jose Jose is you know he

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got energized from Einstein us that I

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know and that's what we're gonna do

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tomorrow night yeah I got all kinds of

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little crystal skulls in here and

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there's another one right there that

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one's real cool and then I got my my

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little cruiser dude

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a little Cruiser Cruiser and of course

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skull vodka skull vodka bottle in the

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studio I got the big ones down over over

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down on the floor over there I should

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bring out the big crystal skull vodka

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okay all right so that's where am I at

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that's tomorrow night Wednesday night

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David Wilcock is back and we are going

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to discuss what is ahead for us in 2019

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very important show an amazing week that

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we've got here and of course Thursday

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night is fate or night teresi and eros

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is going to be here to buy in frequency

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on the airwaves and of course followed

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by open lines all night long now don't

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forget to head over to Jimmy Trudeau

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calm where you can follow like and

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subscribe of course there is on stellar

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and of course YouTube and hello to

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everybody out there that happens to be

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watching it's kind of weird for me radio

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is something that is is a one-on-one

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thing you know there was no video right

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there was never video and you were able

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to as a broadcast as a host you just did

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your own thing right your imagination is

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going today you know now we've got

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cameras in the studio and it's just not

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the same thing but there you go

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so it's it's like radio and television

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so every night I have to wear a clean

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shirt I have to shave right I have to

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comb my hair but back in the day right

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you could just show up wearing shorts

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and we're the same ac/dc t-shirt you're

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Ozzie blizzard of Ozz t-shirt you can

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wear it seven days in a row nobody's

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gonna know nobody's gonna know if you've

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shaved or not but it's not that kind of

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party anymore but hello everybody out

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hashtag you have to be on Twitter is

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where we hang out each night and that is

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the sandbox and if you have any

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questions or comments during tonight's

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show or any other show by the way

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just use hash tag you have to be cute

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tonight with Isaac Arthur you're gonna

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have questions and it is absolutely

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imperative that you post them up on

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hashtag if 2bq on twitter okay and I

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will get to them all I always do you can

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also email Jimmy at Jimmy Church

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radio.com all right I announced a couple

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of month

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to go now it's about a month ago that

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come January first we would have our new

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website up now drew drew the geek sent

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me this press release today for you this

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is Drew

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is an official release from Drew the

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geek the Jimmy Church radio website is

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due for an overhaul and a new look to

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that end this week you may find some

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small glitches as I work on the cool

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geeky stuff on the back end of the

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website if all goes well the fader not

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should have a new look by the end of

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this weekend the new site will have

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and on-site HTTP premium chat for the

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yes we will have a better way to make

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sure that game changers get their shirts

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and hats and then he follows that up

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with and maybe even a special blog by me

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to let you know about site updates

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changes and things to be aware of signed

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drew drew do we have dancing girls you

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guys are too quick on Twitter yeah I

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know right

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alright that's drew says yes drew says

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yes alright and this announcement came

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out today it was out under the radar

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with all the other political stuff

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that's going on and I don't do politics

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on the show I just don't do it I do the

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conspiracy of politics including this

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announcement today President Trump is

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saying that Washington and Pyongyang

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have been in talks over the venue for

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his second to second meeting with North

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Korean leader Kim fatty fat so there you

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go all right come join us for the 2019

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conscious life Expo right here in Los

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he's California at the LAX Hilton and it

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goes on from February 22nd through

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February 25th I can't believe it it's a

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month away such a huge huge fun event

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and again last year 10,000 people or

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15,000 through the doors over those

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three days think about that for a second

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its massive it's great and come and hang

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out with us because this year we're

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gonna be celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of Chariots of the Gods with

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Erich von däniken I will be hosting the

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panel with Eric Linda Moulton Howe Jason

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Martel Billy Carson rabbi ariel bar za

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and of course myself and that will be

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Friday night and that is the the keynote

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panel kick off on Friday evening and

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you've got to get your tickets for that

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that is a separate event and it will

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sell out George Noory nassim haramein

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Robert Schoch Danny Brinkley grant

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Cameron Julia Moss bridge story and

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another 50 speakers will be presenting

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at the 2019 conscious live Expo just go

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to conscious life Expo com for tickets

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and info and a full conference schedule

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and on top of that okay on top of that

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we have a banner over to maturity Oh

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moon coffee the absolute best coffee in

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the world the best bad you know what I

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really I enjoy night vision night

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watches sky watches time travel the

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universe space all conspiracies and

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everything else but you know what I

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really enjoy you know what I really

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really enjoy I enjoy when I get that

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email Church that fade to black blend

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you guys are selling you're not hyping

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it up enough man

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you're not hyping it up enough this is

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absolutely the best coffee in the world

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thank you

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well it really really is it is the best

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so go get yourself some today

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alright f2b blend is the I think that's

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it is that it f to be blend I believe is

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what she used the promo code alright 15%

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off of your order okay let's get this

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show cracking happy birthday - today

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Nicolas Cage is 55 years old and now

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aside from everything else that Nicolas

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is done and Honeymoon in Vegas right

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yeah pretty good pretty good

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aside from all of that stuff especially

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they released his first movie Fast Times

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at Ridgemont High and I know you're

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gonna go wait a minute he's not in Fast

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Times at Ridgemont High yes he is when

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they go into all-american burger right

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and they shot from the counter and they

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and there you can see the cooks in the

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back that's Nic Cage and he looks right

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at the camera and it's a young Nick Cage

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he's a knight he's in two scenes in the

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movie but there you go Nicholas Cage

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today is 55 years old

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and jeremy renner today is 48 The Hurt

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Locker and of course he plays Hawkeye in

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the Avengers and also one of the greats

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Kenny Loggins today is 71 kenny loggins

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wow that's incredible 71 years old

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on this day in history OTD 1785 it went

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down Frenchman Jean Pierre Brossard and

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American John Jeffries travel from Dover

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England to Calais France in a gas

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balloon becoming the first to cross the

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English Channel by air that's a big day

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and it happened in 1785 Fader fact now

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look I whipped these facts out they're

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all vetted they're all real okay but but

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listen to this alright

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the 1980 u.s. hockey team was playing

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the USSR in a pre Olympics exhibition it

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was revealed that during the game that a

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Soviet player had a gun under his jersey

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the player air quotes the player was a

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KGB agent used to prevent players from

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defecting to the West that is your fader

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fact and you really need to think about

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oh my oh my and I guess it worked

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tonight very special guest Issac Arthur

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is here I'm really looking forward to

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this conversation tonight and he has a

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way of presenting technology and

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theories and ideas and physics and the

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universe in a way that we all can

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understand and certainly with with my

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brain I've been able to absorb it

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tonight get comfortable it's going to be

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one of those conversations

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tomorrow night Carolyn Ford is here

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we're going to talk about Einstein

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ancient crystal skull Wednesday night

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David Wilcock is good to be here now

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we're gonna talk a little bit about 2018

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and disclosure what what happened and

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what didn't right and then we're gonna

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take a look forward ahead into 2019 and

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see what what's in store for our

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community right to go

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the Great Awakening disclosure all of

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that on Wednesday night Thursday is

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another Fator night with Teresa in Aris

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divine frequency on the airwaves open

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lines all night long all right let me

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hit this coffee talking about Isaac

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Arthur the one thing if I've tried to

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get one thing into everybody's heads

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here on this show is the one thing that

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is it just absolutely blows my mind and

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that is how far we have come in

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understanding our universe in such a

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short period of time one of the things

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that I I talk about so much is that if

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somebody was born in 1890 right live 400

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years died in 1990 what the things that

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they would have seen in their lifetime

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going from you know horses horse and

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buggies right all the way through to Van

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Halen think about that and all of the

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technology that happened in the middle

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of all of that

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stereos television radio you know cars

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jets planes rockets Apollo space travel

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right lasers and the internet I mean

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it's just nuts it's nuts

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and-and-and I appreciate that and when I

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look at somebody's date of birth and

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when they die just think about what what

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it doesn't even eclipse in my opinion

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what we have learned since 1995 1995 the

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progress that we have made on a

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technical level not only with our

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civilian lives our consumer lives and

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the lives that we live every single day

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or

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does the advances have been just a leap

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frogging

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over each other and what we went through

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from 1995 to the year 2000 one of the

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biggest technical explosions in the

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history of all mankind and to go from

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tube televisions to flat screens to go

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from the Internet of where the internet

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was in 1995 to what happened by the year

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2000 and everything else

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cell phones crazy GPS and I can just go

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on and on and on the technological

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achievements have been tremendous and

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that's around us that's what we know

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about it's out there what we know now

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about our universe our galaxy dark

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energy dark matter the expansion of the

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universe right there has been so much

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learned that I now can look back at my

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own life just like I've looked back at

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others and go holy crap I lived through

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all of this I've seen it I've seen it

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happen and it's incredible to me because

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I I can go back and think about how many

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planets that we knew about outside of

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our solar system in 1995 right 0 to 2 I

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think about that today the known planets

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is one thing 5,000 4,000 5,000 that

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better catalogued another 5,000 that are

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registered and ready to go and another

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hundred billion in our galaxy hundred

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billion 100 billion and I need that

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thought that very germ of an idea into

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everybody's heads think about that it

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doesn't get any more extraordinary more

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extreme

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you know and when we go back to Galileo

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or Copernicus and and their knowledge

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and how they were trying to piece this

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thing together with the Sun and our

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solar system and and they're noticing

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things out there and they're trying to

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figure it out right that that was big

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stuff what we know today blows that just

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that's where we are today so now let's

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take it to the next step how rare is

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life and how rare is it because in our

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own lifetime going back just a short

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decade or two ago a short decade or two

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ago we were questioning things well you

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know how how special are we how unique

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are we we are we're seeing things in the

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skies and we've had visitations and

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we've seen things we've got Roswell and

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Rendlesham and all these other events

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you know Aztec sure right Maury island

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we've got these things but how rare is

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life and that was the question that

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every but now it's not we've moved on

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from that because today it's not how

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rare is life it says how much of it is

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out there how old is it how advanced is

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it right how much is there that's the

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other side and that's where we are today

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it all comes from one thing comes from

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one thing our knowledge of the universe

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and Edwin Hubble in 1925 there was

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nothing the universe was our galaxy by

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1929 we found a second galaxy in 2/3 and

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started to think oh wait a minute

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we are not the univer the universe's oh

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oh oh oh to today because of the Hubble

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telescope and what we understand what is

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really going on with our universe this

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is where my mind just goes pull it's

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unbelievably huge it's way beyond our

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wildest dreams and now today coupled

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with everything else that we are

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understanding the expansion

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of the visible universe why well I'm

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going to be talking to Isaac about this

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here in a few minutes when now today one

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of the things that cosmologists and

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physicists are talking about now is the

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visible universe why faster than light

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now

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if the universe on its outer edges is

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expanding to the point where these

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galaxies and objects on the extreme

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edges of our visible universe are now

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surpassing the speed of light then once

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they go they are now ahead of light

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can't see him anymore

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they're still there but it's now

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traveling faster than the speed of light

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so our universe is only what we can see

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even theoretically see so think about

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that and that's where we are today Isaac

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Arthur presents in his video series not

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only all of these the physics side of

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this and the cosmology side of this but

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the theoretical side and tying all of

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that into the et or alien contact

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question and the the Fermi paradox and

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if life is out there what's the status

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of it not only visiting us

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but populating other celestial bodies

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and discovering other galaxies and in

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interstellar travel and how they would

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do it what these ships are like what the

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propulsion systems are like are they at

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war are they trading right and are they

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visiting here think about that for a

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second and when you have somebody on the

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show tonight like Isaac it goes back to

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the very fabric of what the show was

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about which is science and this show and

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our community are starting to cross

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we're starting to understand each other

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and the the conversation of not only et

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in the UFOs but mainstream and science

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is what is going on all over this

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planet and this this question of

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disclosure which will be talking to

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Isaak about this in a few minutes this

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question of disclosure is getting closer

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and closer and closer just a few years

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ago it seemed unachievable it didn't

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seem like we were going to get there

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today everybody is talking about it it's

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the best part of what I do it's the best

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part when I'm gonna get out of here so I

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can get Arthur on here but his past

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weekend over on coast to coast

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I had Tyler Glockner on the show from

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secure team and in Chad Cale ik and both

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of those guests and if you think about

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this Tyler's YouTube channel you know 2

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million subscribers it's just past it

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right Chad callek who not only has been

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a director of documentaries but also

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director and producer of television

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programming on the subject of the

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paranormal is now visiting the UFO

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subject too as well and this is a global

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audience this is a huge thing and it was

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an easy show to do and it was a show

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that the coast audience that is reaching

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back to me is like this is exactly where

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we are at this is exactly it you know

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art would have been proud and think

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about that all right so that's the show

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tonight that's where I'm at if we can

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200 episodes covering topics like

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intelligence and other topics

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Isaac received his degree in physics

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from Kent State University graduating

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top of his class at the age of 20 and

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remained there for graduate studies

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before joining the US Army and serving

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in Iraq he also worked as a civilian

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researcher at the Air Force Institute of

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Technology in Dayton Ohio after the

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military he returned to his home and

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serves as the chairman of the board of

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elections for his area when he's not

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working on his channel and of course his

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website is Isaac Arthur dotnet the links

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are over at Jimmy Church radio.com I

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would like to welcome for the first time

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to fade to black Isaac Arthur

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Isaac good evening how are you doing

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great Jimmy thanks for having me on oh

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it's it's been a long time coming but

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we've got you here and before we get

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started

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Isaac you get the first-time guests

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disclaimer yeah you ready for it what's

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that yeah the first time guest

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disclaimer which is this issac is just

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you and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts and where

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it ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends see simple you ready

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sounds great let's go let's do it you

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know okay I actually want to start here

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and if I can catch you off guard if I'm

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gonna do it anywhere it might be right

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now which is which is this you've got

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fantastic writing you've got a great

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team behind

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you their presentations are awesome and

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all of that and okay and we're gonna be

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discussing that tonight but what about

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you you talk about et & Aliens so much

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and present this information but have

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you seen something strange in the sky

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um well actually yeah but every case

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I've had it happen with me poorly and

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again I can only speak to my own you

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know what I post a scene I've been there

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for a couple of times but someone has

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seen something but it was always one of

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those cases away or I don't think that's

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what you think it is because you know

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it's got navigation lights on it right I

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live near enough airports but sometimes

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folks would be surprised they see 120

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overhead and say that can't be you know

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that can't be a normal aircraft it's

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it's towing too fast say that's a Cessna

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doing a normal landing man mm-hmm but

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you know we've all been exposed a lot of

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weird events and you know you can't say

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for sure what they wore sometimes you

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can but I think it gives us all you know

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life's a long strange thing it'd be a

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boring life you never collected anything

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that was out of the ordinary and we just

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try to figure out what that is you know

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that's that's fundamentally the human

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condition find weird things figure out

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what they mean my night you know the

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invitation is open but one night you

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should come out and hang out with us

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with our night vision and we'll have a

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couple of hundred people there and and

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just watch and when you see things in

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the sky now look obviously you're gonna

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see a lot of satellites you're gonna see

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a lot of things that are completely

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terrestrial man-made and explainable but

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then there's the other stuff right

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that's like wait a minute here what is

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that

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and it's an epiphany when it happens and

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I think that for you for what you do it

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would answer a lot of questions for you

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and then open up the other doors that

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maybe you don't want to open or would

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you be ready for an epiphany like that

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I'd like to think so but you never know

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on these things but I say with I never

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like to count myself as a skeptic just

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because so many people who call

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themselves skeptics these days all

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really just cynics in disguise but you

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always approach everything with doubt

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and they try to reason your way through

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it and that includes mean having to

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reassess what you've used all if it

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turns out that you're wrong and it could

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be possible you know that's that science

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for you we've had a change of use quite

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a few times over the centuries and you

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know then again eyewitness observations

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you know it's it's one of those things

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where you can't always trust your own

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eyes either sometimes you'll see

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something you'll be sure that's exactly

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what is then when you take it apart

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afterwards you find out that you will

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tricking yourself to so you don't know

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you need to go out they'll see it and

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document and reason your way through it

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right right and as a as a physicist or I

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don't know if you classify yourself as

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physicist you've discussed this before

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but certainly you've got your degree I

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want you to imagine this for a second

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I'm going to be very brief but I'm

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standing with 200 people on the edge of

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a cliff right at night in the desert and

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off to my left about a mile away maybe

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500 feet off of the ground maybe a

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thousand feet about a mile away

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00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:52,430
is a giant green glowing ball and it's

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traveling at a pretty good clip and it

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comes out from the side of this mountain

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00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:00,590
now everything is on videotape the

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Canadian CBC they are there document

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shooting a documentary so there was

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multiple cameras there many people there

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as a witness but this is what happens

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Isaac now wrap your mind around this

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over a five minute period this thing

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shoots across the desert floor right and

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then slowly starts to ascend and it

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starts to take off I'm tracking it I've

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00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:26,780
got night vision you can see it clearly

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with the naked eye and I can see it

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reflecting it looks like a green chrome

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00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,920
Christmas ornament that's what it looks

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00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:39,200
like right and it's reflecting and the

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00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:41,750
lasers are bouncing off of it and it

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00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:44,180
starts to ascend and over a five minute

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00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:47,630
period it goes straight up from the from

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00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:51,810
the ground straight up and turns into

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00:40:59,570 --> 00:40:56,120
a star stops straight up above us and

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00:41:03,470 --> 00:40:59,580
sits there and then now it's just a star

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00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:03,480
in the sky and then 90-degree angle

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00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:06,210
shoots off to the left and disappears

810
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:09,600
into space now when I tell you something

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00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:10,110
like that

812
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,320
that's about as Fantasma chol as it gets

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00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:15,300
right it's like wait a minute hold on

814
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:18,960
but it happened and I can't explain that

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I do not know what I saw I'm not saying

816
00:41:27,350 --> 00:41:25,140
ET I'm just describing you the event

817
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,360
with the other 200 people that were

818
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:29,940
there witnessing it now as if as

819
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:32,370
somebody that's trained in physics what

820
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,580
do you think I saw well that's I mean

821
00:41:39,110 --> 00:41:37,200
again without actually seeing it and

822
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:39,120
this is one of the things the eyeball

823
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,500
was not a great measurement device

824
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:42,660
something can look stationary at a great

825
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,250
distance when it's actually just kind of

826
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:46,200
finishing out it's all can starting to

827
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:48,870
fall back down again you need to get out

828
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,280
there what instruments we can actually

829
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:52,920
measure very precisely houses moving how

830
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:53,730
far away is it

831
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:56,130
you know jangling in sexual position so

832
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,690
you know for sure is this stationary oh

833
00:42:01,100 --> 00:41:58,980
it's just moving slowly in different

834
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:01,110
direction and then for instance if we

835
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:03,210
looked at and we said right here we can

836
00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:05,100
say beyond a doubt that this accelerated

837
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:07,860
at 100 G is for moments then we say

838
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:09,270
there's nobody on board that it's an

839
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,370
unmanned whatever it is is unmanned but

840
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:13,800
maybe not human at least um right and

841
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,930
then we could say well that's not a man

842
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:18,240
vessel so assuming for the moment that

843
00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:19,770
it's something we made maybe it's a

844
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:23,070
drone maybe it's a missile and of course

845
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:24,660
the inevitable problem with a lot of the

846
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:26,490
military hardware that secret is that

847
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,990
it's it's secret because his military

848
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,480
hold whale we'd expected to do Bo things

849
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:32,400
because there wasn't they wouldn't feel

850
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:35,370
that obliged to keep its secrets so what

851
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:38,130
was something like that could be yeah I

852
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:39,270
can throw out all your number of

853
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:40,650
thoughts about what it could be but it's

854
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:41,970
gonna be the same ones everyone else is

855
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:45,330
probably come up with um and I would say

856
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:47,970
you know that's not something I can

857
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:49,650
really offer when he knew inside into

858
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:51,240
you know if you study it you get the

859
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:53,790
exact song its structure ease its speeds

860
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:55,470
and I mean the real exact not the

861
00:43:00,590 --> 00:42:57,060
eyeball estimates people make where they

862
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,600
say I think that's toning too fast then

863
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:01,980
you can actually start to say what it

864
00:43:04,819 --> 00:43:03,420
can and can't be into his

865
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:04,829
characteristics

866
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:06,450
and we can move some stuff out from that

867
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,609
like I was saying if it's going too fast

868
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:10,410
on its acceleration we know it's not

869
00:43:15,469 --> 00:43:13,170
manned or someone's come up with some

870
00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:15,479
really cool way to avoid acceleration

871
00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:17,039
damage on people which would be great

872
00:43:22,789 --> 00:43:20,670
and the implications of what it is all

873
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:22,799
different you know I can't speak to the

874
00:43:26,209 --> 00:43:24,150
engineering and stuff like that I'm not

875
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:26,219
an aerospace engineer but if you

876
00:43:29,749 --> 00:43:27,690
suddenly had a technology that allows

877
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:29,759
you to accelerate a hundred G's with a

878
00:43:35,509 --> 00:43:33,150
person that has huge impact on things

879
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:35,519
like military's hard way of course but

880
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,339
also on spaceflight since a lot of the

881
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,619
devices we'd like to use to do space

882
00:43:44,509 --> 00:43:42,420
travel with would tend to involve very

883
00:43:46,819 --> 00:43:44,519
high acceleration rates and we'll all

884
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,829
constrained by not wine to celebrate you

885
00:43:55,729 --> 00:43:49,680
fast in many occasions now I wanted to

886
00:43:58,489 --> 00:43:55,739
ask you this is there you discuss

887
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,499
faster-than-light quite a bit and what I

888
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:01,440
find fascinating with the conversations

889
00:44:10,099 --> 00:44:05,369
of of FTL these days is that it is now

890
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:10,109
part of the conversation where it used

891
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:12,390
to be the speed of light is it nothing

892
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:14,910
can go faster that you know that is

893
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,690
there anything in mind Stein's special

894
00:44:24,939 --> 00:44:21,839
relativity that said that nothing could

895
00:44:26,989 --> 00:44:24,949
travel faster than the speed of light um

896
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,999
that's kind of depends on how you look

897
00:44:30,229 --> 00:44:28,680
at it if you take something like you be

898
00:44:31,999 --> 00:44:30,239
a warp drive for instance we would

899
00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:32,009
usually say that's fast and light but

900
00:44:37,249 --> 00:44:34,589
technically it's not it's going to move

901
00:44:38,779 --> 00:44:37,259
you from point A to point B faster but

902
00:44:40,789 --> 00:44:38,789
it's actually doing that by cutting down

903
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:40,799
the space in between the points so it's

904
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:43,410
not exceeding light speed same something

905
00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:45,569
like a wormhole jumping into hyperspace

906
00:44:49,489 --> 00:44:47,219
if that exists those or getting around

907
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,499
it we don't think there was any way to

908
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:52,079
actually move any sort of classic way

909
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,359
faster speed of light or even at the

910
00:44:59,209 --> 00:44:56,940
speed of light and nothing's budged that

911
00:45:01,039 --> 00:44:59,219
you have some options things like

912
00:45:03,769 --> 00:45:01,049
tachyons that might be able to move

913
00:45:06,049 --> 00:45:03,779
faster speed of light to but you've got

914
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:06,059
the the problem of that asymptotic limit

915
00:45:09,739 --> 00:45:07,619
where as you get closer and closer it

916
00:45:10,789 --> 00:45:09,749
takes more and more energy and you've

917
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:10,799
also got the problem that on the other

918
00:45:15,259 --> 00:45:13,529
side of that you've you've got a going

919
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:15,269
backwards in time we would say negative

920
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:18,010
time or imaginary time a case like that

921
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:22,180
and which is fine on paper but we have

922
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:24,700
this this issue already where I say if

923
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:26,740
we've got fashion light travel then we

924
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:28,150
have to worry about people from outside

925
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:30,010
the absorber universe coming to visit us

926
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:32,050
- it's not just who's in our galaxy or

927
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:34,900
who's in the local volume of space right

928
00:45:39,450 --> 00:45:37,390
if you throw time travel into that - or

929
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:39,460
for window travel to other dimensions

930
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:42,010
out and atolls then you've got to deal

931
00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:43,480
with people showing up from your own

932
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:46,660
future to say hello and these are one of

933
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,710
those things where you can't really

934
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,359
regulate that if you're some you know

935
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,040
high-tech government fall in the future

936
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:53,920
because you can't you can prevent people

937
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:55,990
doing it regularly but you can't really

938
00:46:00,000 --> 00:45:57,910
prevent them from doing it ever and you

939
00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:00,010
only ever have to do it once yeah right

940
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:01,990
so I was back in time and they changed

941
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:04,090
history just one time that's all it

942
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:04,570
takes

943
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:07,000
yeah and when when I hear you discuss

944
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,630
this it's one thing to talk about time

945
00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:12,640
travel at the speed of light and clearly

946
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:14,260
Einstein

947
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:17,640
you know documented this possibility I

948
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:19,750
understand that and I think that we all

949
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:21,790
do that's a real form of time travel if

950
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:24,550
we could you know jump on a spaceship

951
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:27,220
and travel from Earth achieve a certain

952
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:28,660
speed turn around and come back what

953
00:46:32,849 --> 00:46:30,220
were time travelers it's not a time

954
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:32,859
machine we're just time traveling I get

955
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:37,060
that part but if we go full FTL and you

956
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:39,910
and I are on the bridge right of our

957
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:43,119
faster-than-light craft and we we cross

958
00:46:50,099 --> 00:46:45,820
that threshold what happens to you and I

959
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:50,109
do we actually reverse in age I mean do

960
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:53,770
we become infants we shouldn't and I was

961
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:56,980
thinking of 2001 look so what it happens

962
00:47:00,599 --> 00:46:58,690
okay but right right right

963
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:00,609
normally whatever you're doing has no

964
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:02,380
effect on your frame of reference where

965
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:04,660
you're at it's everybody else around you

966
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:06,550
that's having the issue so you just

967
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:08,410
travel back in time but you always want

968
00:47:12,990 --> 00:47:10,869
to put caveat on that because we only

969
00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:13,000
can do this on paper by assuming

970
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,820
imaginary numbers actually exist and

971
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:18,640
they're called imaginary for a reason so

972
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,260
we stop there's no experimental evidence

973
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,480
about what happens as the time slowing

974
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:24,160
down there's tons it's it's not even

975
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:24,940
something that we have to be the

976
00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:26,950
spaceship for every student physics lab

977
00:47:30,769 --> 00:47:29,230
has to slow something down right every

978
00:47:33,409 --> 00:47:30,779
time it was over mu on week

979
00:47:35,299 --> 00:47:33,419
see that in practice we slow time down

980
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,309
on particle is all the time every

981
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:37,650
supercollider does that but we've never

982
00:47:40,789 --> 00:47:39,089
actually done anything where we'll be

983
00:47:42,499 --> 00:47:40,799
going faster then I'll actually at the

984
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:42,509
speed of light where a time would stop

985
00:47:46,399 --> 00:47:44,729
so we can't really say for sure what

986
00:47:47,899 --> 00:47:46,409
that effect is going to be we have kind

987
00:47:50,689 --> 00:47:47,909
of logical way through it and as we get

988
00:47:52,189 --> 00:47:50,699
the doctor who or the Tomio kind of

989
00:47:53,929 --> 00:47:52,199
strange time launch it because it

990
00:47:55,969 --> 00:47:53,939
doesn't seem to really ever quite work

991
00:47:57,769 --> 00:47:55,979
out well when you think about it now

992
00:48:00,409 --> 00:47:57,779
though there is the the way around there

993
00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:00,419
is arguably the multiverse theory which

994
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:02,759
says that pretty much every scenario

995
00:48:08,509 --> 00:48:04,859
that could possibly happen is happening

996
00:48:10,099 --> 00:48:08,519
in another universe and that your your

997
00:48:12,229 --> 00:48:10,109
arrow of time the pathway you're taking

998
00:48:13,909 --> 00:48:12,239
through time is really more navigating

999
00:48:15,529 --> 00:48:13,919
back and forth between every last

1000
00:48:18,769 --> 00:48:15,539
picture or the universe and every

1001
00:48:20,989 --> 00:48:18,779
possible combination and in a case like

1002
00:48:23,179 --> 00:48:20,999
that you wouldn't really be time

1003
00:48:24,949 --> 00:48:23,189
traveling but you know it would feel

1004
00:48:28,789 --> 00:48:24,959
like it it would seem like it it would

1005
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:28,799
be the exact same to you and well what

1006
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:30,209
happens okay

1007
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:32,249
there's there's two things that I need

1008
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:35,880
my mind clear on if something happened

1009
00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:38,609
at the speed of light and I'm talking

1010
00:48:43,819 --> 00:48:40,589
about a physical object not a light beam

1011
00:48:47,929 --> 00:48:43,829
right but a physical object what happens

1012
00:48:51,709 --> 00:48:47,939
to space you know does it collapse on

1013
00:48:53,989 --> 00:48:51,719
itself - do we go do things dissolve is

1014
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:53,999
there something that would occur in the

1015
00:48:59,449 --> 00:48:56,819
world of physics very much does collapse

1016
00:49:00,949 --> 00:48:59,459
on itself actually the universe because

1017
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:00,959
that's the asymptotic limit that's

1018
00:49:05,449 --> 00:49:03,900
hitting infinity or 0 as well right the

1019
00:49:06,949 --> 00:49:05,459
closer you get they are the more space

1020
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,959
in whatever direction you're traveling

1021
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:09,599
is shrinking right and which you get

1022
00:49:15,849 --> 00:49:12,209
right there at that distance it's going

1023
00:49:18,709 --> 00:49:15,859
to turn into a 3-dimensional disc and

1024
00:49:20,899 --> 00:49:18,719
you would be seen everything in front of

1025
00:49:22,249 --> 00:49:20,909
you flattened out people looking at you

1026
00:49:25,219 --> 00:49:22,259
would see you planned out but they'd

1027
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:25,229
also see time stopped for you and that's

1028
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:26,579
another one of problems you can't really

1029
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:28,890
have an event take place at the speed of

1030
00:49:31,579 --> 00:49:30,209
light with anything it's got matter

1031
00:49:34,509 --> 00:49:31,589
because it's there's no time being

1032
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:34,519
experienced to have an event of core I

1033
00:49:40,249 --> 00:49:37,169
get it it reminds me a little bit you

1034
00:49:42,049 --> 00:49:40,259
can laugh in the movie space balls right

1035
00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:42,059
where they go past the speed of light to

1036
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:44,540
ludicrous speed then they go to play

1037
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:47,540
right you know what happens beyond that

1038
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:50,630
now this is my second question you and I

1039
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:53,000
again run the bridge right we're

1040
00:49:58,570 --> 00:49:56,630
piloting and let's say we're just in

1041
00:50:01,390 --> 00:49:58,580
cruise mode we're doing a hundred

1042
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:01,400
thousand miles an hour right rather

1043
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:03,710
we're at a decent clip and we're really

1044
00:50:11,290 --> 00:50:08,570
slow yeah but but then we turn on our

1045
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:11,300
high beams to look out in front of us or

1046
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:15,440
we fire a laser out in front of our ship

1047
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:20,390
is that laser or our speed of light high

1048
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:23,660
beams is that are they now traveling

1049
00:50:28,030 --> 00:50:25,730
faster than the speed of light because

1050
00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:28,040
of the momentum of our ship already

1051
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,660
traveling at say a hundred thousand

1052
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,760
miles an hour no and this is the thing

1053
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,520
that I actually got a special relativity

1054
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:35,680
over here in Cleveland

1055
00:50:40,030 --> 00:50:37,850
background the to last century we had

1056
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:40,040
the micro-sim all the experiments prior

1057
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:42,130
to that we'd always assumed that

1058
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:44,300
anything that's moving if I know if I'm

1059
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:45,770
on a train for instance always use the

1060
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:47,450
Train Audi's for special relativity and

1061
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:49,850
I throw a ball that ball was moving with

1062
00:50:54,310 --> 00:50:51,830
my speed plus the Train speed plus the

1063
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:54,320
speed you're turning right light seems

1064
00:50:58,810 --> 00:50:56,390
to move and this is we don't know why

1065
00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:58,820
right it was the thing that caused the

1066
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,050
big problem that was solved by the

1067
00:51:03,850 --> 00:51:02,000
ultimately anyway it will move with the

1068
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:03,860
same speed look also how fast you're

1069
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:05,960
going everyone sees the light moving at

1070
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:08,450
the exact same speed and they

1071
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:10,070
established that you know through Mike's

1072
00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:11,210
Morley experiments that anything they

1073
00:51:14,350 --> 00:51:12,380
could do it they just kept coming back

1074
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:14,360
to the same speed it was weird

1075
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:16,490
and so the entirety of special

1076
00:51:22,330 --> 00:51:18,650
relativity is built around that specific

1077
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:22,340
fact that light will always seem to be

1078
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:24,440
moving to everyone who's observing it

1079
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:26,510
regards of how fast they were going at

1080
00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:29,480
the same speed a different direction you

1081
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:30,590
know obviously if we should have laser

1082
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:33,170
at an angle but it's just moving at that

1083
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:36,230
speed as we're getting faster we're

1084
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:38,540
getting close to speed of light it's

1085
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:40,040
going to seem to be moving away from us

1086
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:41,330
at that same speed but anybody else

1087
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,740
who's looking at it it's going to see it

1088
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:45,440
doing that too and that's where the time

1089
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:47,840
dilation comes in now if we actually hit

1090
00:51:50,830 --> 00:51:49,370
the speed of light for the moment and

1091
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,840
then when you emitted a laser beam we

1092
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:51,920
couldn't do that because he in time

1093
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:54,230
stopped but if we if we could that light

1094
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:57,230
would seem to not go anywhere because we

1095
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:58,070
are now moving at the

1096
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:02,000
speed of light too so it that should be

1097
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:05,170
the exception way it doesn't happen so

1098
00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:07,220
that's P it would seem to get white

1099
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:08,780
although or we would read [\h__\h] away

1100
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:10,970
Hamas but a blue shift towards us we

1101
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:12,710
caught back up with it right right right

1102
00:52:19,810 --> 00:52:16,850
the blue red shift so if you and I again

1103
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:19,820
run the bridge and we're approaching the

1104
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:21,620
speed of light let's say we're there and

1105
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:26,030
I flick on my flashlight then the light

1106
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:27,800
would only come out an inch in front of

1107
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:29,720
it you know what I mean that's it we're

1108
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:31,420
we're there we're at the speed of light

1109
00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:34,070
as we just get real closely if we flick

1110
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:36,260
the thing on like four we heads then it

1111
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:37,970
has just enough time to travel you know

1112
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:40,220
a meter or so it should seem to freeze

1113
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:41,540
in front of us now of course we wouldn't

1114
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:42,920
be able to actually see it freezing

1115
00:52:47,590 --> 00:52:45,110
because we absorb light by seeing it hit

1116
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:47,600
us but it would have frozen in place in

1117
00:52:51,850 --> 00:52:49,370
front of us right when we hit this B in

1118
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:51,860
itself but again that's the same problem

1119
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:53,390
it's more this case where you really

1120
00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:55,610
should never be able to do that so it

1121
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:57,740
gets a little if he talking about what

1122
00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:00,800
should definitely happen because it's

1123
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:02,540
not really a case that you could do

1124
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:07,010
anyway to you it seems like to a laser

1125
00:53:10,450 --> 00:53:08,810
beam if I shoot a laser beam out and I'm

1126
00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:10,460
on each of those photons they come out

1127
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:13,220
the you know photon a movie at the front

1128
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:14,810
and then you got photon B right behind

1129
00:53:19,060 --> 00:53:17,690
it should see photon a still in front of

1130
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:19,070
it the whole time it's traveling at the

1131
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:20,510
same distance they're both movie at the

1132
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,050
same speed but you can't actually absorb

1133
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:25,760
anything from these because there's no

1134
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:27,530
time passing for them a photon

1135
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:30,410
experiences no time you know anything

1136
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,580
moving the speed of light like a

1137
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:33,440
neutrino probably moves the speed of

1138
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:35,630
light they experience no time nutriyums

1139
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:36,890
might move just a little slower than

1140
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:38,660
light speed we're never quite positive

1141
00:53:43,870 --> 00:53:42,410
it's real close and oh for that metal

1142
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:43,880
the speed of light might be just a hay

1143
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:45,710
or high or then light actually travels

1144
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:47,750
if it turned out that photons head just

1145
00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:49,850
a little tiny amount of mass right and

1146
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:51,590
we it's one of those things we can't

1147
00:53:55,570 --> 00:53:53,990
eliminate the possibility soon as we can

1148
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:55,580
ever say anything is completely infinite

1149
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:56,810
or not you know if you got a rope that's

1150
00:54:00,970 --> 00:53:58,670
infinitely long you go by counting that

1151
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,980
by pulling out or walking next to it you

1152
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:02,720
can establish how long it is but you can

1153
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:04,490
never say for sure that it's not long

1154
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:06,050
until you get to the end you know if

1155
00:54:09,490 --> 00:54:07,250
it's infinite you can't prove it's

1156
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:09,500
infinite and it's kind of same thing

1157
00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:11,350
here you can never prove

1158
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,480
that a photon has absolutely no mass

1159
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:16,480
then we can infer and we can never prove

1160
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:18,280
that it has no time at all but we can

1161
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:19,870
count before we can say it definitely

1162
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:22,570
doesn't have more than this amount and

1163
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:24,610
so sometimes what we say it shouldn't

1164
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:25,960
call it the speed of light but the speed

1165
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:27,550
of information because that one we're

1166
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:29,560
pretty confident about right lines just

1167
00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:30,790
happens to be the first thing we found

1168
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:32,500
that moved to that speed and it's is the

1169
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,050
speed that no mass moves that basically

1170
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:36,640
if you have no mass that's how fast you

1171
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:39,970
go and the reason why that is starts

1172
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:41,950
getting a little complicated with

1173
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:44,890
Minkowski space and other things but it

1174
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:47,860
was a worldwide pass when we come back

1175
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:50,020
after the break I want to continue this

1176
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:51,610
because it's one of the most fascinating

1177
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:54,450
aspects of all of this because if we are

1178
00:55:00,990 --> 00:54:57,850
going to visit the stars and and other

1179
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:01,000
planets or if we are getting visited all

1180
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,440
of these questions have to be answered

1181
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:04,480
and thought about so we'll continue this

1182
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,070
but I wanted to ask you this before the

1183
00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:09,660
break we've got four minutes it when

1184
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:14,350
ship is out there even our own you know

1185
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:17,050
Voyager or whatever pioneer our own

1186
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:19,510
things that we're shooting but if if

1187
00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:21,220
we're out there traveling at these great

1188
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:27,880
speeds and we encounter a small asteroid

1189
00:55:35,790 --> 00:55:32,710
or meteorite and and it wouldn't the

1190
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:35,800
impact at those speeds be ginormous

1191
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:38,770
oh yeah no it's it's it's even at like a

1192
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:40,330
tenth the speed of light anything you

1193
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,490
hit is going out like a nuclear bombs a

1194
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:45,040
mass would so how do we how do we avoid

1195
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:48,310
that I and and I understand the laser

1196
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:51,370
aspects and and defensive positioning

1197
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,490
and and radar and scanning out but I

1198
00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:57,520
would think at those speeds the

1199
00:56:02,460 --> 00:55:59,530
calculations and the logistics would

1200
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:02,470
just be off the charts but but if we did

1201
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:06,370
make contact it would be over mm-hmm and

1202
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:08,140
it's the thing about moving that quickly

1203
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:10,510
it's one of means of always say the unit

1204
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:12,100
you could go faster and light you may be

1205
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:13,720
when it wants you because you can't even

1206
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:15,390
get a tone signal at that point right

1207
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:18,130
running up on things like this like if

1208
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:20,140
you're going fast and lights everything

1209
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:22,030
in front of you looks dead white yeah

1210
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:23,800
because everything sped up so much it's

1211
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:25,130
blue [\h__\h] you so much and everything

1212
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:27,140
you look like a black hole right no mic

1213
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:29,750
which is up to you right trying to

1214
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:32,150
actually do detection on things like

1215
00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:34,130
that is quite tricky even you're stoking

1216
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:35,869
up to about half the speed of lights

1217
00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:37,970
anything you run into is like hitting an

1218
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:40,279
antimatter bomb a single coffee cup is

1219
00:56:42,759 --> 00:56:41,750
gonna hit you like the hiroshima device

1220
00:56:45,759 --> 00:56:42,769
right right right

1221
00:56:48,009 --> 00:56:45,769
um and you have to make sure that

1222
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:48,019
doesn't happen yeah you know you can

1223
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,700
absorb a particle or two getting hit by

1224
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:51,170
relativistic particle you know they say

1225
00:56:55,329 --> 00:56:53,660
if you hit a single hydrogen atom no not

1226
00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:55,339
unless you're moving that you know the

1227
00:57:00,370 --> 00:56:56,900
lens factor of like a hundred you know

1228
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,380
which really have no reason ever do but

1229
00:57:06,009 --> 00:57:02,480
any particle any grain of sand is gonna

1230
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:06,019
do a lot of damage and so you have to be

1231
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:07,400
constants caning around for that and

1232
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,990
consuming how fast you're moving you're

1233
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,400
talking about teen the scan area the

1234
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,079
size of our solar system like out to

1235
00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:14,960
Pluto it's a spot somebody the size of a

1236
00:57:20,499 --> 00:57:17,329
pebble right and that gets worse and

1237
00:57:22,329 --> 00:57:20,509
worse the faster you go and there are

1238
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:22,339
many ways you can tackle that but it

1239
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:24,890
does start to say maybe we don't want to

1240
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:25,940
be going that fast

1241
00:57:32,019 --> 00:57:28,730
even if we could maybe a little bit slow

1242
00:57:33,579 --> 00:57:32,029
as the wiser course of action and so I

1243
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:33,589
usually tend to assume you wouldn't go

1244
00:57:37,930 --> 00:57:35,660
much faster than about twenty percent of

1245
00:57:39,789 --> 00:57:37,940
light speed unless you actually started

1246
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:39,799
creating a highway system through space

1247
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:42,740
not a classic one obviously a way you're

1248
00:57:46,029 --> 00:57:44,150
sweeping all that matter out of the way

1249
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,039
constantly you've gotten your sensor

1250
00:57:49,749 --> 00:57:47,599
grids along the way that are spotting

1251
00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:49,759
even agreeing a dust and just vaporizing

1252
00:57:54,249 --> 00:57:51,470
a thing you clear it out to make a

1253
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:54,259
hyperspace bypass at law now you can

1254
00:57:58,769 --> 00:57:56,390
start looking at traveling close to

1255
00:58:00,430 --> 00:57:58,779
speed of light and you don't necessarily

1256
00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:00,440
propellant with you because you could be

1257
00:58:03,339 --> 00:58:02,180
using lace or step bounce the ships

1258
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:03,349
around at high speeds

1259
00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:05,420
that's one way you could do that that

1260
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:06,769
doesn't get you to new solar systems

1261
00:58:10,089 --> 00:58:08,329
that lets you get to systems that you've

1262
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:10,099
already colonized and then you know back

1263
00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:12,680
and forth between them so same has gone

1264
00:58:16,029 --> 00:58:14,299
to the Oregon Trail takes you you get

1265
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:16,039
Oregon nowadays you can drive out there

1266
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,440
a couple of days so you always have a

1267
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,440
slow expansion front as you explain but

1268
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:23,359
you probably can get away with traveling

1269
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:24,740
pretty close to the speed of light back

1270
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:26,420
and forth between solar systems it's

1271
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:28,970
just trying to find a bestest safest way

1272
00:58:32,289 --> 00:58:29,630
to do it

1273
00:58:34,779 --> 00:58:32,299
yeah I'm picturing because when I've

1274
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:34,789
heard you discuss this this shows you

1275
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:36,940
where my mind is I was picturing

1276
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:38,410
interstellar

1277
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,940
highway street cleaners to clear the

1278
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:45,520
path and of course the idea would be

1279
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:46,809
that they'd be using they wouldn't be

1280
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:48,369
using a classic boom but they'd be using

1281
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:51,849
a laser Picasso said they sweep all the

1282
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,740
gas and dust out of the way but it would

1283
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:55,839
have to be that way because if you're

1284
00:59:01,680 --> 00:58:58,450
just going out there willy nilly space

1285
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:01,690
is big and it's vast but it only takes

1286
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:04,089
like you said a little micrometeorite

1287
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,770
the size of a grain of sand at that

1288
00:59:09,539 --> 00:59:08,400
speed would cause you a lot of trouble

1289
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:09,549
mm-hmm

1290
00:59:12,839 --> 00:59:11,140
so you either want to go slow you want

1291
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,849
to make sure you've got a really Clio

1292
00:59:16,289 --> 00:59:14,799
system in front of you and this is

1293
00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:16,299
something we deal with you know I've fun

1294
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:18,280
walking around my house or on the front

1295
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:19,599
lawn I don't have to worry about a

1296
00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:21,130
little wrong if I'm driving down the

1297
00:59:24,839 --> 00:59:23,109
freeway I can do a lot of damage so

1298
00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:24,849
they'll drop me outside of a bridge or

1299
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,230
even just hitting something like a

1300
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:28,079
bottle on the road can cause problems

1301
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:30,670
let's take a break right here Isaac

1302
00:59:35,099 --> 00:59:33,430
fantastic start to this evening in this

1303
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,109
conversation or guess tonight Isaac

1304
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:38,079
Arthur Isaac Arthur dotnet is the web

1305
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:40,089
site of course his YouTube channel is

1306
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:42,849
his right there as well fade to black

1307
00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:44,710
I'm your host Jimmy Church I'll be right

1308
00:59:49,120 --> 01:00:11,870
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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Amy Church tonight our

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guest is Isaac Arthur he is here

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tomorrow night Carolyn Ford Einstein

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that's tomorrow night Wednesday night

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David Wilcock is back with us to talk

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about 2019 and we're gonna look forward

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Thursday night is open lines all night

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long tonight it's Isaac Arthur and Isaac

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01:06:01,529 --> 01:05:58,049
this is one of the most fascinating

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01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:01,539
aspects of the error that you and I live

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01:06:07,799 --> 01:06:03,670
in right now and it's the knowledge of

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01:06:10,460 --> 01:06:07,809
our universe that is coming in it's the

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01:06:13,549 --> 01:06:10,470
data is is getting out of control and

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01:06:16,529 --> 01:06:13,559
watching cosmologists and

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01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:16,539
astrophysicists out there have to start

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01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,150
to look at these harsh numbers and where

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:21,520
things are going like dark energy write

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01:06:26,579 --> 01:06:23,170
them something that was never discussed

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01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:26,589
before now we're confronted with this

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01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:29,130
and the expansion of the universe but

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01:06:34,829 --> 01:06:32,049
there's another fascinating thing for me

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01:06:38,609 --> 01:06:34,839
and that is the discovery of exoplanets

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01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,619
and we're now in our own Milky Way where

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01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:40,720
we thought how there could be a couple

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01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:44,380
maybe there's more how unique are we to

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01:06:50,279 --> 01:06:47,380
the conversation today is our Milky Way

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01:06:53,609 --> 01:06:50,289
could have a hundred billion planets in

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01:06:56,609 --> 01:06:53,619
it this is yet probably more right it's

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01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,619
an extraordinary number that we never

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01:07:01,799 --> 01:06:59,200
even contemplated twenty years ago

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01:07:05,849 --> 01:07:01,809
right this is these are exciting times

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01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:05,859
but now let's take that data and take

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01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:07,510
that knowledge and go in the opposite

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01:07:12,930 --> 01:07:09,640
direction we're talking about speed of

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01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:12,940
light and if et is out there visiting

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01:07:17,970 --> 01:07:14,470
and I believe that they are and they're

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01:07:21,019 --> 01:07:17,980
coming at us how do you pump the brakes

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01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:21,029
on a ship that is moving at that speed

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01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:25,000
how long does it take to slow down well

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01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:26,380
I think we were talking only about how

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01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:27,849
fast something could accelerate or

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01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:29,500
decelerate and that that's actually a

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01:07:34,769 --> 01:07:32,529
really important one because by good

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01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:34,779
coincidence if you accelerate at 1 G

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your normal with gravity for a year you

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01:07:40,410 --> 01:07:39,220
will get up to about light speed you

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won't quite get there because you can

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01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:42,700
have a quiet get there but if you want

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to get up to 10% of light speed you need

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01:07:47,849 --> 01:07:46,390
to be accelerating for a month and we

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01:07:50,579 --> 01:07:47,859
go down from that it's gonna take you a

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:50,589
month to if you're going in near the

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speed of light

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and again it's even gonna be way worse

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01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:55,750
for me I get to yell probably things

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01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:56,980
like the warp drive get around that

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01:08:03,630 --> 01:08:00,160
entirely you slam the brakes very slowly

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01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:03,640
yeah and that actually becomes issues if

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01:08:07,259 --> 01:08:05,650
you have access to effectively infinite

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01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:07,269
energy to be accelerating these ships

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01:08:12,059 --> 01:08:10,329
those kind of speeds you still have to

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01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:12,069
find some way to handle a very fast

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01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:14,260
acceleration or you're gonna experience

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01:08:18,809 --> 01:08:17,230
a lot of time personally and ideally

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01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:18,819
you'd before not to you might get around

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01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:21,100
that with something like cryogenic Iost

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01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,190
cryogenic sleep but um or some other

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01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,799
type of stasis but you have to be able

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to slow down you have to give a speed up

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and it's going to take a lot of time to

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01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:32,739
do that when you're going really fast

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01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:34,420
you and you have to re expend that

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01:08:38,129 --> 01:08:36,040
energy too so you can't make a lot of

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01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:38,139
stopovers to pick up like hitchhikers

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01:08:41,849 --> 01:08:40,420
while you're on your way you go once you

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start like moving once you're up to

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speed

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you're pretty much locked into that

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01:08:47,849 --> 01:08:45,659
course until you get to your destination

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01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:47,859
unless you have a vast amount of azure

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01:08:53,879 --> 01:08:50,230
fior and if you did go faster as you CA

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01:08:55,649 --> 01:08:53,889
thought some things like the warp drive

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01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,659
or warm or if we could ever get them

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01:08:59,789 --> 01:08:57,040
walking and then out to be honest I

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01:09:02,789 --> 01:08:59,799
don't think that we will these usually

1509
01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:02,799
get around that acceleration issue with

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01:09:06,269 --> 01:09:04,569
the wormhole you're really not traveling

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01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:06,279
through space although the implication

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01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:08,170
that it's one of those keys just a few

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01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:10,839
like in Stargate not quite right we're

1514
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:11,949
something like the warp drive though

1515
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:13,750
you're not actually moving you're just

1516
01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:15,730
moving the space on either side of you

1517
01:09:20,129 --> 01:09:17,830
so there you don't have to decelerate at

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01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:20,139
all though that comes with some problems

1519
01:09:23,129 --> 01:09:21,790
too we think if you're hanging towards

1520
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:23,139
planet with one of these things on

1521
01:09:26,579 --> 01:09:24,489
you're very likely to when you

1522
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:26,589
decelerate blow up the system you're

1523
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:32,500
right I know and now okay let's we need

1524
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:36,060
to stay on this I'm not gonna let it go

1525
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:40,089
there is there resistance in space like

1526
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:42,730
you know obviously we have resistance

1527
01:09:51,059 --> 01:09:46,540
here on earth and he will always slow

1528
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:51,069
down you need more energy to to maintain

1529
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:54,449
a speed out in space if we achieve

1530
01:09:58,140 --> 01:09:56,590
whatever it is right hundred thousand

1531
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,150
and a thousand five hundred thousand

1532
01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:00,400
miles an hour are we able to shut

1533
01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:03,340
our engines and just cruise in that

1534
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:07,720
direction or do we at that speed a 500

1535
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:09,010
miles now speed of light is a hundred

1536
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:10,900
eight thousand miles a second so it's

1537
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:13,630
it's a lot faster but at that speed you

1538
01:10:16,620 --> 01:10:15,250
would drift for millions of years for

1539
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:16,630
you have a noticeable drop in speed but

1540
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:17,800
if you get close enough to the speed of

1541
01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:19,630
light you actually have to stop making a

1542
01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:22,030
ship kind of aerodynamic because even

1543
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:23,320
though there's a ferry that all day or

1544
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:25,810
you're going so fast that you're running

1545
01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:27,370
into it it basically does start to

1546
01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:29,980
create a drag effect now that's only

1547
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:31,420
gonna happen we stocking up like half

1548
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:33,580
the speed of light or clothes or but you

1549
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:35,260
can slow down that way too it is one of

1550
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:37,420
the free ways to slow down but it takes

1551
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:39,010
a long time is just to extend a big

1552
01:10:43,650 --> 01:10:41,350
parachute basically and let it drag you

1553
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:43,660
down it doesn't work too well lower

1554
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:45,670
speeds though and things like Pioneer

1555
01:10:49,530 --> 01:10:47,320
voyage or those things are never going

1556
01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:49,540
to experience you know any sort of

1557
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:52,240
significant drag any more than you or I

1558
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,770
are you walking around the house and you

1559
01:10:59,790 --> 01:10:55,600
know we're very slow speed compared to a

1560
01:11:01,080 --> 01:10:59,800
supersonic jet you do have that concern

1561
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:01,090
and that's great you can serve you're

1562
01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:03,940
doing FTL in a kind of classic Star Trek

1563
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:05,950
war travel kind of way mm-hmm and so if

1564
01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:07,210
you want to stay at that speed you to

1565
01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:09,220
keep pushing and it means using more and

1566
01:11:13,730 --> 01:11:11,140
more fuel to keep up that speed and the

1567
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:13,740
faster you go the more that there is and

1568
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:15,490
against one of those reasons why you

1569
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,560
probably don't want to try to be going

1570
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:20,080
more about half the speed of light one

1571
01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:22,390
of the things that I have talked about

1572
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:25,540
over and over again on this show for

1573
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:29,130
years and years is arthur c clarke and

1574
01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:32,350
rama the entire series of books i don't

1575
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:34,630
know how many times i have read them but

1576
01:11:39,570 --> 01:11:38,050
i've always contemplated that aspect and

1577
01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:39,580
i always thought that arthur c clarke

1578
01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:43,900
was ahead of the curve maybe maybe yeah

1579
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:46,300
yeah maybe even i'm a lean and that's

1580
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:48,310
the series though the force book great

1581
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:52,330
the second book pretty good you talking

1582
01:11:58,140 --> 01:11:54,040
about when Gentry Lee came into the

1583
01:12:02,430 --> 01:11:58,150
picture yes yes nothing against Gentry

1584
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:02,440
no I but you are correct okay so anyway

1585
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:07,530
is that if if something was coming at us

1586
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,810
they had some great speed would we

1587
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:12,960
notice something

1588
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:14,610
would we be able to see something that

1589
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,100
was traveling at the speed of light or

1590
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:19,440
nearly at the speed of light would we be

1591
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:22,200
able to pick that up no well if it's

1592
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:24,150
going it's all about how fast going if

1593
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:25,650
it's going it exactly the speed of light

1594
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:27,180
we'll never see it till the moment it

1595
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,370
arrives right if it's going just a

1596
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,620
little bit slower we will get to see it

1597
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:33,420
but probably not a lot like if something

1598
01:12:38,180 --> 01:12:35,400
is a light hour out and it's moving at

1599
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:38,190
you know 99% of speed of light you're

1600
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,830
gonna get in a maybe 30 seconds of

1601
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:43,320
warning time but and it's already it's

1602
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:47,610
right there on you by then right and for

1603
01:12:50,150 --> 01:12:48,840
you know stellar distances that's

1604
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:50,160
actually more than enough because you've

1605
01:12:53,210 --> 01:12:51,540
got something that's a Lightyear out

1606
01:12:55,220 --> 01:12:53,220
that's that gives you many days of

1607
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:55,230
warning and it's all about how fast

1608
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:56,490
they're going and only going half the

1609
01:12:59,900 --> 01:12:58,110
speed of light then there are twelve

1610
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:59,910
light hours out you're gonna see them

1611
01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:02,880
when there's six hours out as a war so

1612
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:04,020
you should always see a ship that's

1613
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:05,670
slowing down to get to you especially

1614
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:08,490
cuz it's gonna be again slowing down but

1615
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:10,650
once you get into FTL zone you're not

1616
01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:13,290
going to you actually see it after it's

1617
01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:15,630
already passed by which is the way that

1618
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:17,790
arthur c clarke has presented it in

1619
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:20,670
Ramah in that it was like on top of us

1620
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:24,510
slowing down right and that we it would

1621
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:28,230
be like inside of Pluto's orbit before

1622
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:31,050
we would even have a clue right of

1623
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,090
course it's slowing down rapidly at that

1624
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:35,340
point but that that would be it and

1625
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,110
that's a frightening thing to wrap our

1626
01:13:42,170 --> 01:13:40,320
head around well it's we always say

1627
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:42,180
there's no stealth in space but again if

1628
01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:43,470
you go in fast enough you don't need too

1629
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:45,900
much stealth because you've got that

1630
01:13:50,780 --> 01:13:48,030
that surprise advantage don't seize you

1631
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:50,790
- you almost say oh right of course you

1632
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,140
don't really need that if you want you

1633
01:13:54,860 --> 01:13:53,520
militarily invade zone because you're

1634
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:54,870
going that fast all you have to do is

1635
01:13:59,210 --> 01:13:57,330
not slow down you just throw your trash

1636
01:14:00,650 --> 01:13:59,220
out before you decelerate and let it hit

1637
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:00,660
the planet you're heading towards and

1638
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:02,520
you know the earth might only go on

1639
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,050
thirty thousand miles now it's the

1640
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:06,960
amount of the Sun but that stuff is

1641
01:14:10,190 --> 01:14:08,370
still movie the speed it's going out so

1642
01:14:12,650 --> 01:14:10,200
it's same as a spaceship hitting you

1643
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:12,660
know interstellar debris you throw a ton

1644
01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:14,940
of garbage let's say a little a ton of

1645
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:16,230
garbage out the front of your ship when

1646
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:18,060
you're going near light speed it hits

1647
01:14:22,730 --> 01:14:20,850
that planet in front of you and you've

1648
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:22,740
already got all your weapons deployed is

1649
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:24,120
a war there's nothing no need to do

1650
01:14:25,950 --> 01:14:25,470
anything else the surface of that plan

1651
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:25,960
on that's

1652
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:29,650
is just squatched yes there's a little

1653
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,240
need to supplies them beyond that when

1654
01:14:37,050 --> 01:14:34,000
your ship arrives it's already hit them

1655
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:37,060
with a preemptive strike now when you

1656
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,010
have started to put this data together

1657
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:41,440
and by the way the people that work with

1658
01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:42,280
you

1659
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,920
I think these concepts are fascinating

1660
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:47,920
and the researches is just it's

1661
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:50,860
unbelievable especially for me to go

1662
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:53,200
through but when we start to contemplate

1663
01:15:00,000 --> 01:14:55,930
this and when you look at just our own

1664
01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:00,010
galaxy Isaac how much how much

1665
01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:02,470
intelligent life do you think could be

1666
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:04,390
out there it doesn't have to be advanced

1667
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:08,010
like at our level right our caveman

1668
01:15:13,290 --> 01:15:11,170
level of advancement how much how much

1669
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:13,300
life do you think could be in our Milky

1670
01:15:18,420 --> 01:15:16,840
Way I would not be too surprised if we

1671
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:18,430
found other life in this solar system

1672
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:21,940
but not anything advanced it would not

1673
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:24,280
surprise me we found simple life just

1674
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,960
all over the place like every place it

1675
01:15:28,980 --> 01:15:27,520
could be well we could turn out to be a

1676
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:28,990
lottery or than that too we don't really

1677
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:32,400
have good models for abiogenesis yet

1678
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:34,150
intelligence that's that's the other

1679
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,370
story we look at the Fermi paradox we

1680
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:38,320
say that there probably isn't any if we

1681
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:40,630
if we draw that conclusion then it's

1682
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:43,150
really technological life that's high or

1683
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:44,830
you know that's at least a century ahead

1684
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:46,410
of us right now that we're talking about

1685
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:48,970
way all along the way the stumbling

1686
01:15:53,490 --> 01:15:50,650
block is that really cuts the numbers

1687
01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:53,500
down that is a lot harder to say the you

1688
01:15:58,650 --> 01:15:56,430
know the B had file a million years ago

1689
01:16:02,520 --> 01:15:58,660
we didn't start using it for pottery or

1690
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:02,530
metal - about 10,000 years ago and you

1691
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:04,390
can look at even like during Vespasian's

1692
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:07,600
will or in the second century Roman M so

1693
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:10,960
i 4th century boom we are the place born

1694
01:16:14,190 --> 01:16:12,610
down he didn't want to employ so in

1695
01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:14,200
technologies not as he didn't trust them

1696
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:16,300
but because he said well how am I gonna

1697
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:20,110
feed my people they have no jobs you

1698
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:22,330
could have a civilization stud or you

1699
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:23,590
know I think prior to about the

1700
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,520
sixteenth century

1701
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:27,280
there's no given that technology's gonna

1702
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:29,290
keep advancing there isn't even now but

1703
01:16:32,730 --> 01:16:30,730
I'd say we're pretty much addicted to

1704
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:32,740
the the pathway of more technology and

1705
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:34,810
research the you know we were around

1706
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:37,090
four million years with brains decently

1707
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:38,290
unparticle we have now

1708
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:39,520
and really didn't make much

1709
01:16:43,950 --> 01:16:42,100
technological progress so it could be

1710
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:43,960
the entire galaxy is full up of

1711
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,690
civilizations that onio lithic I would

1712
01:16:50,610 --> 01:16:49,120
tend to bet not but I don't have any you

1713
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:50,620
know any evidence that that's just you

1714
01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:53,410
know my intuition says that intelligent

1715
01:16:58,050 --> 01:16:55,390
life of the caveman level for instance

1716
01:17:00,420 --> 01:16:58,060
is probably pretty decently Rael it

1717
01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:00,430
might be more common than stuff at all

1718
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:04,180
level but I would tend to like that it's

1719
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:11,170
still pretty Vail with our son is we're

1720
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:12,430
blessed with something that's very

1721
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,950
stable yes yeah and that is something to

1722
01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:16,800
always keep in mind on things like this

1723
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:21,550
very stable a any variance in anything

1724
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:23,980
with our son and we're not you and I are

1725
01:17:29,010 --> 01:17:26,350
not talking right now I have it's really

1726
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:29,020
that simple isn't it well we could

1727
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:31,450
probably survive if the son was more

1728
01:17:35,190 --> 01:17:33,070
active like a lot of stars in our class

1729
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:35,200
so no ash we're not a freaking table

1730
01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:37,170
which is done the will bit of an outlier

1731
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:40,420
if the son got less stable something

1732
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:42,190
more extreme than amount of minimum or

1733
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:43,930
the reverse where it was really

1734
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:46,330
fluctuating all over the place in a case

1735
01:17:52,050 --> 01:17:48,310
like that we'd probably still survive

1736
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:52,060
now unless was very extreme but you know

1737
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:54,010
a long-term effect like that could boil

1738
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:55,690
the atmosphere of a planet pretty easily

1739
01:17:59,700 --> 01:17:57,970
and stars are only ever getting hotter

1740
01:18:01,620 --> 01:17:59,710
they they start off cooler than they are

1741
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:01,630
but after a billion years or so and they

1742
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:04,150
just keep getting hotter as they slowly

1743
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:06,250
walk their way up to that that subgiant

1744
01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:09,280
and then red giant stage and that shifts

1745
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:11,710
the habitable zone for solar system and

1746
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:14,140
we could have a lot of systems where it

1747
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:17,110
started off inhabited and then the

1748
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:19,450
atmosphere got stripped off and all that

1749
01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:21,580
life went away no necessary advanced

1750
01:18:25,610 --> 01:18:23,590
life like us we could survive a slow

1751
01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:25,620
incremental heating of the Sun right now

1752
01:18:30,810 --> 01:18:28,660
but obviously basic microbial life or

1753
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:30,820
you know basic mammals cannot they don't

1754
01:18:34,980 --> 01:18:33,280
have technology and similarly you could

1755
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:34,990
have plants that got seeded later on as

1756
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:36,850
that Sun warmed up and then that warm

1757
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:39,930
zone that habitable zone expanded and

1758
01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:42,370
something like that could be we also

1759
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:45,550
about filters for what can get you to to

1760
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:47,680
high advanced live that could be one of

1761
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:49,570
those filters things that end up skinny

1762
01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:51,570
a lot of people out of the the

1763
01:18:57,650 --> 01:18:54,030
raishin is that a lot of plants only

1764
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:57,660
habitable temporarily and they're not

1765
01:19:02,330 --> 01:18:58,920
habitable long enough for anything

1766
01:19:04,220 --> 01:19:02,340
advanced to show up and this is the big

1767
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:04,230
problem with this is only guess what we

1768
01:19:08,420 --> 01:19:05,700
have to draw a logical inferences

1769
01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:08,430
because we still have so little data we

1770
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:10,470
I mean we didn't have any plants until

1771
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:12,900
about 20 years ago to look at but even

1772
01:19:16,940 --> 01:19:15,090
now with 5000 that sounds like a lot but

1773
01:19:20,090 --> 01:19:16,950
it's probably a trillion planets out

1774
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,100
there at least and most of those plants

1775
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:22,500
we found those are the easy ones to spot

1776
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:23,970
they're the really big ones or the ones

1777
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,350
where they close their Sun they don't

1778
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:27,600
habitable anyway mm-hmm so that pool of

1779
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:30,090
five thousand six thousand EXO planet is

1780
01:19:34,490 --> 01:19:33,480
now includes almost nothing that is

1781
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:34,500
actually ortholite

1782
01:19:37,670 --> 01:19:36,300
not because those plants are real they

1783
01:19:40,370 --> 01:19:37,680
probably own but because they're the

1784
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:40,380
harder ones to see mm-hmm and when we

1785
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:41,970
have thousands of those that we can

1786
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:44,010
actually see decently do some real

1787
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:46,770
spectroscopy on then we might be able to

1788
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,180
start talking about the probabilities of

1789
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:50,400
this type of life you know this level of

1790
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:53,400
live advancing to to microbial life or

1791
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:56,760
to multicellular life or complex brains

1792
01:20:01,010 --> 01:19:58,980
until then we just kind of have to guess

1793
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:01,020
off all intuition and that's never

1794
01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:04,170
trustworthy of course well and I like to

1795
01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:06,270
look at us you know what are we doing

1796
01:20:10,610 --> 01:20:09,420
here as as humans as earthlings we're

1797
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:10,620
out there trying to figure this thing

1798
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:12,090
out too as well we're looking for

1799
01:20:18,730 --> 01:20:14,340
searching for planets and and what what

1800
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,740
could be out there et is a many alien

1801
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,880
civilization that is out there that's

1802
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:22,620
the only way to look at it they must be

1803
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:25,410
doing the exact same thing but this is

1804
01:20:29,420 --> 01:20:28,290
where I think things get complicated you

1805
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:29,430
just brought it up there could be a

1806
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:32,810
trillion planets right a trillion that

1807
01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:35,910
undocumented just you know you can't you

1808
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,190
can't go and map out and figure

1809
01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:40,560
everything give it a name and so I mean

1810
01:20:47,210 --> 01:20:43,590
it's just a tremendous amount but how

1811
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:47,220
many of those alien civilizations know

1812
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:50,490
about earth because we're one of a

1813
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:52,890
trillion planets right it's the opposite

1814
01:20:58,220 --> 01:20:55,830
field of view right we're just one of a

1815
01:21:00,440 --> 01:20:58,230
trillion planets

1816
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:00,450
these you see where I'm going with this

1817
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:02,610
because my next question is alien

1818
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:04,710
ancient aliens right

1819
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:08,460
how many how many know about us if they

1820
01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:10,770
if they if we assume for the moment that

1821
01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:12,420
technology more or less goes the

1822
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:13,800
direction we'll think and that

1823
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:15,450
civilization more or less goes the way

1824
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:17,070
that we're thinking where we expand out

1825
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:19,110
ward not just to other stars but around

1826
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:21,210
our own star into what we usually call a

1827
01:21:25,970 --> 01:21:24,510
Dyson swarm at that point in time if you

1828
01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:25,980
start talking about civilizations that

1829
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:27,750
have access to the criminal billion

1830
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:31,340
planetary man plants for the living area

1831
01:21:35,710 --> 01:21:33,510
they should actually be able to look at

1832
01:21:38,780 --> 01:21:35,720
every last star in the galaxy

1833
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:38,790
simultaneously with much greater detail

1834
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:41,100
than we have now without it actually

1835
01:21:44,150 --> 01:21:43,170
being like a major budgetary item you

1836
01:21:46,460 --> 01:21:44,160
know it'll be well those things where

1837
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,470
the local space Congress only has the

1838
01:21:52,460 --> 01:21:48,480
you know it's like budgeting one

1839
01:21:54,860 --> 01:21:52,470
observatory and at that point if they

1840
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:54,870
will around when light from our planet

1841
01:21:58,340 --> 01:21:56,610
would have each they owes they should

1842
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,350
see us they should know were there they

1843
01:22:01,340 --> 01:21:59,520
don't have to wait to listen to your

1844
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:01,350
radio signals they should have been

1845
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:03,090
otoscope us out by our atmosphere for

1846
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:04,650
instance and they could have been

1847
01:22:08,780 --> 01:22:06,690
sending flyby probes take photos and we

1848
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:08,790
say well you might not be or tell from

1849
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:10,920
the atmosphere radio is certainly a dead

1850
01:22:15,229 --> 01:22:12,810
giveaway but so something like the great

1851
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:15,239
wall the pyramids it somebody builds a

1852
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,620
you know we often talk about aliens in

1853
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:19,440
terms of pyramids and you know the

1854
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:21,090
pyramid would be one of the most obvious

1855
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:22,530
things you could see from space you

1856
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:24,060
couldn't see it from far off him you

1857
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:25,650
can't see the moon landing sites from

1858
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:27,870
Earth and Hubble mm-hmm but if you're in

1859
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:29,550
orbit around the planet you're gonna fly

1860
01:22:32,150 --> 01:22:30,540
by with a satellite

1861
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:32,160
you're gonna spot something like that it

1862
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:34,170
sticks out like a sore thumb right and

1863
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:36,900
you know you can't look at the pyramid

1864
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:38,850
see on the ground say but that's natural

1865
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:41,400
then they're gonna know there's

1866
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,570
something down there that's intelligent

1867
01:22:45,860 --> 01:22:44,640
and I'd be surprised thing we had to

1868
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:45,870
wait that long because they ought to be

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01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:47,250
able to pick things up from that calf

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01:22:51,530 --> 01:22:49,770
and just things like fire an individual

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01:22:53,770 --> 01:22:51,540
bonfires not like they get scoped out

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01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:53,780
but you start picking out you know

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:55,980
little trace and indicates in sign you

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01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:57,330
look a bit closer on something like why

1875
01:23:02,300 --> 01:22:59,400
all these tiny little files all over

1876
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:02,310
these forests you know so they should

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01:23:06,740 --> 01:23:05,340
already have known about us if they

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01:23:08,300 --> 01:23:06,750
themselves were round obviously they

1879
01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:08,310
can't discover us until they they are

1880
01:23:11,330 --> 01:23:10,980
there but they should have known about

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01:23:12,979 --> 01:23:11,340
us

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01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:12,989
long time ago already if they were there

1883
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:16,199
so we shouldn't be a new thing to them

1884
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:20,010
per se and you know what have we talked

1885
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:21,360
about them busyness we always have to

1886
01:23:25,939 --> 01:23:23,940
ask what's their motivation it's not raw

1887
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:25,949
materials nobody's out there call me up

1888
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:28,530
every last asteroid and planet right and

1889
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,090
you can even suck material out of Suns

1890
01:23:36,919 --> 01:23:31,920
they are they've got way more than what

1891
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:36,929
we have here and so the knowledge to a

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01:23:39,979 --> 01:23:38,340
la material is they have to be

1893
01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:39,989
understand what what does Earth have and

1894
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:42,030
it's got really interesting flora and

1895
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:43,679
fauna those are probably you know for

1896
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:45,719
all the billions of wars out there you

1897
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:46,770
know very last one of them has

1898
01:23:51,620 --> 01:23:50,219
ecosystems which is unlikely those are

1899
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:51,630
all still going to be fairly unique

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01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:53,790
there's huge that number is is still

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:55,380
small compared to them of combinations

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01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,090
so they might be coming here to take

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samples and of course earth culture

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01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,840
would probably very interesting to them

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01:24:05,419 --> 01:24:03,360
too and the funniest thing because I was

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01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:05,429
writing this up recently is looking in a

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01:24:08,839 --> 01:24:07,080
motivation to come and visit us if

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01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:08,849
you're one of those civilizations that

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since the prime directive star exile zoo

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01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:13,710
hypothesis thing of shielding plants are

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01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:16,110
or they're primitive that implies you

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01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:17,699
find those culture was really

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fascinating which means you probably

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01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:22,110
have a black market in like stolen

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01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:25,050
memorabilia and if it's like any sort of

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01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:27,690
regulatory F what we do you've probably

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01:24:39,379 --> 01:24:35,520
got people breaking those comic book

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01:24:43,700 --> 01:24:39,389
collection that is fascinating that is

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01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:43,710
fascinating of Rama by arthur c clarke

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01:24:48,649 --> 01:24:47,219
no way yeah yeah that's that's a pretty

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01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:48,659
interesting way to look at it and the

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01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:52,530
other the other if we flip this what

1923
01:24:58,399 --> 01:24:56,070
would make earth unique there's all the

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01:25:02,089 --> 01:24:58,409
gold in the universe out there that you

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01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:02,099
know it's you know water well hydrogen

1926
01:25:07,129 --> 01:25:05,400
is is not an issue in the universe you

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01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:07,139
know it is the third most common

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01:25:11,089 --> 01:25:09,060
material after hydrogen helium they all

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01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:11,099
quasars that pump out entire planetary

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01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:13,020
masses of water for their channels

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:15,270
that's right so what would make us

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01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:17,730
unique well we got good weed we've got a

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01:25:24,090 --> 01:25:21,580
great atmosphere it's certainly a

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01:25:24,990 --> 01:25:24,100
climate wise it would be a good place to

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01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:25,000
hang out

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01:25:29,970 --> 01:25:27,670
but I think you're right just coming by

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01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:29,980
and getting samples and going out and

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01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:33,340
and growing your own plants or things

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01:25:38,780 --> 01:25:36,280
that would be unique here is is

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01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:38,790
something to travel to Earth for hence

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01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:42,400
visitation and and probes and and and so

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01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:44,650
forth not necessarily to take over the

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planet or the conquerors ya know and the

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01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:50,860
more important a place of value on on

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01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:53,830
you know that that sort of thing the

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01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:55,780
individual uniqueness of life or culture

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01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,610
the more likely they ought to want to

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01:26:02,040 --> 01:25:59,440
shield that from outside influence for a

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01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:02,050
while and the more you have a motivation

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01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:03,640
for people to want to sneak in and do

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01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:07,090
that right and so you know it's I'm not

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01:26:09,930 --> 01:26:08,200
saying that's what's happening of course

1953
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:09,940
but you always well look at what the

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:11,890
motivations are and what they would do

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01:26:17,010 --> 01:26:15,010
if that was the case and you know if I

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01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:17,020
was trying to abduct people to get DNA

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01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,610
samples they could've got those DNA

1958
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:20,320
samples a long time ago we haven't

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01:26:24,510 --> 01:26:22,210
changed that much and they could also

1960
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:24,520
just you know abduct a mailbox instead

1961
01:26:28,140 --> 01:26:26,830
there's a thousand that was by people

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01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:28,150
who've touched those that's all the DNA

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01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:31,180
you need right right and when we come

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01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,890
back we're gonna take a break but I do

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01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:35,440
want to talk about we the the whole

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01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:39,850
independence day aspect of this of an

1967
01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:42,970
invasion is something that does need to

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01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:44,680
be discussed and you do it really really

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01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,360
well so when we come back we're going to

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01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:48,400
do that and also I encourage everybody

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01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:52,410
out there if you haven't visited Isaac's

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01:26:58,500 --> 01:26:55,510
YouTube channel start with the Fermi

1973
01:27:00,480 --> 01:26:58,510
paradox compendium but then after you do

1974
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:00,490
that go straight to stupid aliens

1975
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:03,810
because that's one of the presentations

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01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:07,120
I've ever heard to silence a lot of

1977
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:09,010
people including myself so let's take a

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01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:11,410
break right here Isaac and when we come

1979
01:27:15,390 --> 01:27:13,960
back we'll pick up where we left off but

1980
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:15,400
we've got to go too

1981
01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:18,970
why haven't we been invaded it's one of

1982
01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:21,070
the best conversations that one can have

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01:27:27,570 --> 01:27:22,870
with Isaac Arthur we're going to do that

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01:31:17,870 --> 01:31:15,810
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01:31:20,810 --> 01:31:17,880
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01:31:24,670 --> 01:31:20,820
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[Music]

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01:32:09,940 --> 01:32:07,480
[Applause]

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01:32:11,290 --> 01:32:09,950
welcome back fade to black I am your

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01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:11,300
host Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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01:32:17,230 --> 01:32:13,610
Twitter at Jay Church radio you can

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01:32:19,330 --> 01:32:17,240
follow Isaac at Isaac Arthur you know

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01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:19,340
what let me let me jump in really quick

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01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:22,550
Isaac is it Isaac a Arthur on Twitter I

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01:32:28,180 --> 01:32:25,130
think it is Isaac a of--the on twitter i

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01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:28,190
I I use whichever ones a free at the

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01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:29,330
time when you're logging into those

2073
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things is usually some other Isaac um a

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01:32:37,690 --> 01:32:34,720
double check yeah it is Isaac a although

2075
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:37,700
underscore between the A's there you go

2076
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,710
if there's a lot of other Isaac Arthur's

2077
01:32:44,380 --> 01:32:41,360
out there you need the a in the middle

2078
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:44,390
to separate you from the imposters it's

2079
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:47,030
actually all someone's there's another

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01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:48,290
Isaac although he actually looks a

2081
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:50,120
little bit like me does Kraft design be

2082
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:51,650
owes on you too but they actually took

2083
01:32:59,380 --> 01:32:55,760
videos that's a good guy to get to know

2084
01:33:01,180 --> 01:32:59,390
right there at some point yeah that's it

2085
01:33:01,690 --> 01:33:01,190
that's your show sponsor if I've ever

2086
01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:01,700
heard one

2087
01:33:06,610 --> 01:33:04,910
so look that's the big question that we

2088
01:33:11,230 --> 01:33:06,620
started to touch upon right before the

2089
01:33:12,940 --> 01:33:11,240
break is if the our galaxy and the

2090
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:12,950
universe is teeming with life and

2091
01:33:16,750 --> 01:33:14,570
there's advanced civilizations out there

2092
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:16,760
ten thousand a billion years a million

2093
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:18,800
years more advanced than us then they

2094
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:22,370
must be having our eye on planet Earth

2095
01:33:30,190 --> 01:33:25,760
why haven't they invaded and enslaved us

2096
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:30,200
well okay I posed two things one they

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01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:32,450
would be enlightened beings and have

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01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:36,890
moved past you know death but then

2099
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:39,170
there's the other side that maybe

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01:33:45,310 --> 01:33:41,330
they're just not interested and there's

2101
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:45,320
nothing here for for them to enslave and

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01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:48,410
get a benefit from but that's the

2103
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:50,680
question why haven't we been taken over

2104
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,570
well I mean we've got different ways we

2105
01:33:56,590 --> 01:33:55,520
can look at it I tend to assume that the

2106
01:33:58,420 --> 01:33:56,600
reason we haven't been is because

2107
01:34:02,470 --> 01:33:58,430
nobody's out there able to do it yet um

2108
01:34:03,460 --> 01:34:02,480
but if they war you we hear this oh they

2109
01:34:05,530 --> 01:34:03,470
wouldn't be interested in us they'd be

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01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:05,540
so far beyond us and and that one never

2111
01:34:08,110 --> 01:34:06,710
holds water to me

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01:34:09,610 --> 01:34:08,120
I could imagine there'd be a lot of

2113
01:34:10,810 --> 01:34:09,620
people out there who didn't find us

2114
01:34:13,609 --> 01:34:10,820
interesting but they are people who

2115
01:34:15,949 --> 01:34:13,619
devote their entire lives to studying

2116
01:34:17,089 --> 01:34:15,959
plan so insects why wouldn't they you

2117
01:34:18,819 --> 01:34:17,099
know I'm totally we could talk to them

2118
01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:18,829
we would every talks there cats and dogs

2119
01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:21,510
so I don't like the idea that they were

2120
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:24,089
just going to find us boring as say

2121
01:34:28,989 --> 01:34:26,129
people visit Kansas in Oklahoma all the

2122
01:34:31,819 --> 01:34:28,999
time inspire them being parochial a boy

2123
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:31,829
and now they would have invaded us that

2124
01:34:35,959 --> 01:34:33,239
one's actually a little bit easier to

2125
01:34:37,489 --> 01:34:35,969
cover because the first thing is if if

2126
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:37,499
we're out there and they're out they are

2127
01:34:40,849 --> 01:34:39,449
you know we're the four species they

2128
01:34:42,949 --> 01:34:40,859
ever met and they're gonna be kind of

2129
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:42,959
curious about us or they were all over

2130
01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:44,489
the place and if they're all over the

2131
01:34:48,949 --> 01:34:47,129
place then you have to say well if they

2132
01:34:51,799 --> 01:34:48,959
invade us what is somebody else doing

2133
01:34:53,419 --> 01:34:51,809
you know we're not gonna have some close

2134
01:34:56,299 --> 01:34:53,429
neighbor who is the only one who's they

2135
01:34:57,949 --> 01:34:56,309
or you know it's just us or it's just us

2136
01:34:59,209 --> 01:34:57,959
in them and we are a bit of a puzzle

2137
01:35:00,919 --> 01:34:59,219
that they were kind of interested in

2138
01:35:03,949 --> 01:35:00,929
because it's the force dating life

2139
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,959
development either or there's species

2140
01:35:07,639 --> 01:35:05,760
all over the place so which are probably

2141
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:07,649
really old and powerful and might take

2142
01:35:11,089 --> 01:35:09,780
offense if somebody's just starts blow

2143
01:35:11,509 --> 01:35:11,099
up other people's plants or enslaving

2144
01:35:14,419 --> 01:35:11,519
people

2145
01:35:17,209 --> 01:35:14,429
mhm but then of course there's the other

2146
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,219
motive is what is the actual motive to

2147
01:35:22,219 --> 01:35:20,159
invade to study sure I can see that one

2148
01:35:24,559 --> 01:35:22,229
easy enough but they don't need us for

2149
01:35:26,299 --> 01:35:24,569
slave labor they've almost got to have

2150
01:35:29,359 --> 01:35:26,309
better robots than we do now you know

2151
01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:29,369
and we don't need more either while the

2152
01:35:32,449 --> 01:35:30,329
biggest problems I'll give you no matter

2153
01:35:35,229 --> 01:35:32,459
slavery in the in the nineteenth century

2154
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:35,239
was that me place was still dependent on

2155
01:35:40,429 --> 01:35:38,699
basically forced labor and you've got a

2156
01:35:43,609 --> 01:35:40,439
lot easier to ban that as we got better

2157
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:43,619
automation what value do we have as

2158
01:35:49,969 --> 01:35:46,050
label or as slaves we really don't have

2159
01:35:51,169 --> 01:35:49,979
any and you know they're not gonna want

2160
01:35:52,909 --> 01:35:51,179
to grow us for food because they could

2161
01:35:54,619 --> 01:35:52,919
clone us and you know presumably they

2162
01:35:56,989 --> 01:35:54,629
don't actually have to kill people to

2163
01:35:59,449 --> 01:35:56,999
get meat from them so there's not an

2164
01:36:01,339 --> 01:35:59,459
obvious motivation to invade us to take

2165
01:36:02,869 --> 01:36:01,349
us over in the classic sense the ward

2166
01:36:04,849 --> 01:36:02,879
and you know that's just potentially

2167
01:36:07,309 --> 01:36:04,859
causing them problems why don't most

2168
01:36:09,259 --> 01:36:07,319
countries invade places nowadays the

2169
01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:09,269
climate the situation doesn't really

2170
01:36:16,009 --> 01:36:12,510
make that you you know viable either or

2171
01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:16,019
to do it or to want to do it and that's

2172
01:36:19,609 --> 01:36:18,089
that's very technology-based every

2173
01:36:21,169 --> 01:36:19,619
culture every race is gonna be a lot

2174
01:36:23,929 --> 01:36:21,179
different in our outlook so you might

2175
01:36:26,599 --> 01:36:23,939
have some that war or fine with that but

2176
01:36:27,370 --> 01:36:26,609
if we assume on the mediocrity principle

2177
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:27,380
that we

2178
01:36:30,850 --> 01:36:29,210
fairly normal and we can I have to make

2179
01:36:33,670 --> 01:36:30,860
that assumption because we only got one

2180
01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:33,680
case to look at then you to kind of

2181
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:35,030
guess there would be people who would be

2182
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:37,040
very offended by that who might you know

2183
01:36:41,170 --> 01:36:38,780
take militant to issue to somebody going

2184
01:36:43,150 --> 01:36:41,180
around invading planets and again

2185
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:43,160
there's no real motivation to do it for

2186
01:36:48,190 --> 01:36:46,250
you sort of obvious benefits but again

2187
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:48,200
using the they're all collectors and

2188
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:50,840
they lost your comic books example they

2189
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:52,610
might have people staking claims to it

2190
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:54,770
because they want those cultural

2191
01:36:58,750 --> 01:36:57,110
artifacts and so we've kind of music you

2192
01:37:00,910 --> 01:36:58,760
could have a hidden invasion where some

2193
01:37:03,670 --> 01:37:00,920
you know nation out there some space

2194
01:37:05,980 --> 01:37:03,680
nation invaded the planets seizes their

2195
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:05,990
own violently protects it from other

2196
01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:09,050
people coming by and you know steals

2197
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:12,860
away Wikipedia or the you know best 100

2198
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:14,150
films what I want to sell on the market

2199
01:37:20,710 --> 01:37:18,320
is a war and so it kind of depends what

2200
01:37:22,420 --> 01:37:20,720
do we mean by invasion the classic

2201
01:37:25,420 --> 01:37:22,430
military invasion your Independence Day

2202
01:37:27,130 --> 01:37:25,430
scenarios those don't really walk and of

2203
01:37:28,510 --> 01:37:27,140
course they also be very short to you're

2204
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:28,520
just not gonna win if they decide to

2205
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:29,810
invade that way and they just want us

2206
01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:31,610
all dead because you don't have to rely

2207
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:33,860
on a fleet to to kill everybody you just

2208
01:37:37,330 --> 01:37:35,690
as we say you and you have to stop at

2209
01:37:39,850 --> 01:37:37,340
the planets you just dump your trash out

2210
01:37:47,170 --> 01:37:39,860
for your eyes ram their planet and kill

2211
01:37:50,980 --> 01:37:47,180
everybody with the okay so now the this

2212
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:50,990
is where for me a I look at us and I

2213
01:37:55,630 --> 01:37:53,090
think that we're growing up Isaac we're

2214
01:37:58,420 --> 01:37:55,640
maturing in fact you just mentioned that

2215
01:38:01,900 --> 01:37:58,430
in in a strange way about invading

2216
01:38:05,110 --> 01:38:01,910
another country even that is less and

2217
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:05,120
less likely as the days move forward for

2218
01:38:08,230 --> 01:38:06,320
a lot of different reasons

2219
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,240
but another reason is that we are

2220
01:38:15,190 --> 01:38:10,880
maturing hopefully one day we won't have

2221
01:38:17,470 --> 01:38:15,200
guns but an intelligent civilization out

2222
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:17,480
there would develop in the same

2223
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:20,810
direction and maybe would have to move

2224
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:24,410
away from a warring a faction that is

2225
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:26,450
out there trying to conquer because

2226
01:38:30,010 --> 01:38:28,850
there are other civilizations out there

2227
01:38:32,530 --> 01:38:30,020
too as well that they're in

2228
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:32,540
communication with I would think and

2229
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:35,960
that this is the way of the universe and

2230
01:38:40,810 --> 01:38:39,410
the way of the galaxy and that battling

2231
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:40,820
and killing isn't

2232
01:38:46,810 --> 01:38:44,170
heart of an enlightened civilization I

2233
01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:46,820
mean I think that's that's poppy where

2234
01:38:50,260 --> 01:38:47,960
it's something but I'd like to be true

2235
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,270
is that you know as species get more

2236
01:38:54,340 --> 01:38:51,920
technology to get more mature and

2237
01:38:56,530 --> 01:38:54,350
ethical but I you know you really can't

2238
01:38:58,030 --> 01:38:56,540
take that too much forgiven because

2239
01:39:00,190 --> 01:38:58,040
their idea of what South ago and all

2240
01:39:02,050 --> 01:39:00,200
idea I mean you go back and read a book

2241
01:39:04,690 --> 01:39:02,060
for the being a 20th century I was think

2242
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:04,700
about HP Lovecraft love his walk while

2243
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:06,410
the force guys to really explore the

2244
01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:10,370
idea of a vast and and huge universe but

2245
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:12,860
man was a racist through and through and

2246
01:39:16,930 --> 01:39:14,710
a lot of people's in that year war and

2247
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:16,940
somebody writing in the 22nd century

2248
01:39:22,420 --> 01:39:19,010
might tend to think we're all barbarians

2249
01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:22,430
too and they might have a completely

2250
01:39:25,690 --> 01:39:23,630
different scale for how they evaluate

2251
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:25,700
that you try to protect a future ethics

2252
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:27,440
it's usually not gonna go but you know

2253
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:30,350
to successfully so we could have aliens

2254
01:39:37,420 --> 01:39:31,970
out there who hold views that we just

2255
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:37,430
find absolutely loathsome and I think

2256
01:39:41,380 --> 01:39:38,960
though that you do tend to probably have

2257
01:39:44,170 --> 01:39:41,390
to go away from overt violence masks

2258
01:39:45,940 --> 01:39:44,180
your destruction just because it's so

2259
01:39:47,650 --> 01:39:45,950
much easier to blow things up than to

2260
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:47,660
make them enemy technological

2261
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:49,760
civilization is going to have had to

2262
01:39:54,340 --> 01:39:52,490
confront that that problem so well goes

2263
01:39:57,220 --> 01:39:54,350
well aren't they happy very warlike or

2264
01:40:00,460 --> 01:39:57,230
not they probably don't blow stuff up a

2265
01:40:01,900 --> 01:40:00,470
lot just because that's not going to be

2266
01:40:04,060 --> 01:40:01,910
the most effective way from their

2267
01:40:06,730 --> 01:40:04,070
perspective to go about you know winning

2268
01:40:09,550 --> 01:40:06,740
things it's too too much of exchange of

2269
01:40:11,530 --> 01:40:09,560
nukes everywhere or antimatter devices

2270
01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:11,540
or you know scorching a laser from

2271
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:13,310
another solar system with an i-cord Ison

2272
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:17,480
beam that sort of practice is much too

2273
01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:18,890
much of a scorched earth literally

2274
01:40:23,770 --> 01:40:22,310
policy and so hopefully we don't see

2275
01:40:26,190 --> 01:40:23,780
that much of that sort of behavior in

2276
01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:26,200
the future from us or them or whoever

2277
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:28,190
but we can't really rule it out either

2278
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:29,930
there could be species out there they

2279
01:40:35,950 --> 01:40:32,780
were just openly genocide all this is

2280
01:40:39,820 --> 01:40:35,960
the 50th anniversary of Chariots of the

2281
01:40:41,950 --> 01:40:39,830
Gods and it's hard for me to wrap my

2282
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:41,960
head around that it's been 50 years but

2283
01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:47,570
it has this is 2019 and the impact that

2284
01:40:53,050 --> 01:40:50,390
Eric had on popular culture and the

2285
01:40:55,190 --> 01:40:53,060
concept of this which you brought up HP

2286
01:40:57,980 --> 01:40:55,200
Lovecraft he certainly wrote about

2287
01:41:00,620 --> 01:40:57,990
the these theories a hundred years ago

2288
01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:00,630
but that's where we are today

2289
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,900
how much visitation do you think has

2290
01:41:08,810 --> 01:41:06,000
happened in the past and even the

2291
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:08,820
distant past on this planet well I mean

2292
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:10,710
again my stated view on it is that

2293
01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:12,450
there's probably no other intelligent

2294
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:15,060
species in our galaxy yet so I would

2295
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:16,590
guess none but if there's anybody out

2296
01:41:21,110 --> 01:41:18,330
there who's doing it then I would guess

2297
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:21,120
tons it's it's just you know we'd say

2298
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:23,010
well the issue the phony paradox is not

2299
01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:25,350
that people would want to visit all it's

2300
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:27,390
that they are so likely to want to visit

2301
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:29,340
earth that it's almost unbelievable that

2302
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:31,410
we wouldn't see them all the time and of

2303
01:41:34,940 --> 01:41:33,330
course many people feel that we do but

2304
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:34,950
if they're out there I would take is it

2305
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:36,570
almost a given that they have better

2306
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:39,960
you're so many times it's ridiculous and

2307
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,340
again from my perspective that means

2308
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:42,960
they're probably not out they are but if

2309
01:41:46,820 --> 01:41:45,330
they are I just can't imagine why they

2310
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:46,830
wouldn't have swung by you're not

2311
01:41:49,820 --> 01:41:48,630
because they'd be obsessed with auth but

2312
01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:49,830
when you're talking about massive

2313
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:52,140
civilizations of who knows how many

2314
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:55,380
quintillions of members somebody is

2315
01:42:00,530 --> 01:41:57,330
going to have written their own entire

2316
01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:00,540
thesis on earth even if almost nobody

2317
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,160
even knows what the planet exists right

2318
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:04,080
you know you just use specialized

2319
01:42:08,180 --> 01:42:05,970
societies you're gonna have people who

2320
01:42:10,130 --> 01:42:08,190
all all about all who probably know more

2321
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:10,140
about Earth than we do and they've made

2322
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:12,900
their entire life career but you'll have

2323
01:42:17,930 --> 01:42:14,460
fan clubs that might outnumber all

2324
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:17,940
entire population Yeah right right and

2325
01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:20,100
just because their civilizations are so

2326
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:21,510
huge that even though it's a tiny

2327
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:23,550
portion that's interested it's still a

2328
01:42:28,340 --> 01:42:26,280
huge number yeah just like the Japanese

2329
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:28,350
and the French know more about the Blues

2330
01:42:33,230 --> 01:42:30,690
here in the United States that we do

2331
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:33,240
that live here that's a fascinating way

2332
01:42:43,130 --> 01:42:36,930
to look at it and then you you discuss

2333
01:42:46,340 --> 01:42:43,140
in in depth many times about coming here

2334
01:42:48,860 --> 01:42:46,350
if your focus was on planet Earth you

2335
01:42:52,190 --> 01:42:48,870
would spend so much time getting here

2336
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:52,200
that you would know everything about the

2337
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:54,210
earth our languages and everything about

2338
01:42:58,850 --> 01:42:56,460
us before you even arrived and that so

2339
01:43:01,760 --> 01:42:58,860
you would have an ability to to

2340
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:01,770
communicate and you would know how to

2341
01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:06,090
build a hybrid human to represent us

2342
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:08,700
here on earth too as well so we wouldn't

2343
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:11,610
count-o an Android or you know you you

2344
01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:13,620
you have the options they are now it

2345
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:15,420
might be really hard to mimic human

2346
01:43:18,770 --> 01:43:17,460
behavior you need so much what we do is

2347
01:43:21,020 --> 01:43:18,780
is something we've learned our whole

2348
01:43:22,820 --> 01:43:21,030
life and our brains are wild for a lot

2349
01:43:24,260 --> 01:43:22,830
of it but they should be able to cobble

2350
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:24,270
together something now they might not be

2351
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:25,920
able to do something that would pass for

2352
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:28,170
human before they actually landed and

2353
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:30,420
took samples but almost as soon as

2354
01:43:33,410 --> 01:43:32,250
they're out they are exposed to it they

2355
01:43:36,050 --> 01:43:33,420
should be able to replicate something

2356
01:43:37,250 --> 01:43:36,060
like that if they even need to you know

2357
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:37,260
we have to say they're surveilling us

2358
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:39,930
well you know we mentioned abducting a

2359
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:42,090
mailbox oil or why not infiltrate an

2360
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,650
Amazon warehouse in the middle of night

2361
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:45,600
and put surveillance tracking gear in

2362
01:43:50,780 --> 01:43:49,380
every last random package mm-hm and that

2363
01:43:52,610 --> 01:43:50,790
comes your data pool and that's a very

2364
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:52,620
big one and if you can't mimic them

2365
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:54,930
after that then you probably just can't

2366
01:43:58,850 --> 01:43:56,610
do it period so you'd be stuck just

2367
01:44:01,420 --> 01:43:58,860
absorbing but it really shouldn't be a

2368
01:44:03,740 --> 01:44:01,430
problem we know we know how to surveil

2369
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:03,750
you mean obviously we don't really do a

2370
01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:06,330
lot of messing about the few uncontacted

2371
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:08,580
tribes we have but we could surveil them

2372
01:44:15,410 --> 01:44:10,250
so they wouldn't know it was us you know

2373
01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:15,420
I would not expect us to to notice if

2374
01:44:21,110 --> 01:44:16,590
they were doing it with the intention of

2375
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:21,120
being secret but they should have a huge

2376
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:24,410
data pool on us and you know they they

2377
01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:26,490
have access to all of all information

2378
01:44:31,130 --> 01:44:28,380
nowadays because we have the Internet

2379
01:44:33,110 --> 01:44:31,140
but they asked you down here to access

2380
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,120
that but they shouldn't have any problem

2381
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:35,520
doing that I though you land some random

2382
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,410
place send out some human looking

2383
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:39,600
androids to go set up a silver for more

2384
01:44:44,060 --> 01:44:42,360
you know of download settle and now

2385
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:44,070
you've got all that information with

2386
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:47,520
fast radio bursts which are you know if

2387
01:44:53,060 --> 01:44:50,010
you're cosmologists these days or an

2388
01:44:55,820 --> 01:44:53,070
astrophysicist or an astronomer fast

2389
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:55,830
radio bursts are the trend right now to

2390
01:45:01,850 --> 01:44:57,450
go out and find these things along with

2391
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:01,860
exoplanets the window of our technology

2392
01:45:08,420 --> 01:45:05,040
here we've had radio waves emitting from

2393
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:08,430
this planet for about a hundred years

2394
01:45:14,660 --> 01:45:11,460
but it's now very little of what we do

2395
01:45:15,980 --> 01:45:14,670
right everything is is is wired now our

2396
01:45:18,230 --> 01:45:15,990
communication is wired

2397
01:45:20,660 --> 01:45:18,240
we still have radio waves but it's but

2398
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:20,670
we are quickly moving away from

2399
01:45:25,490 --> 01:45:23,970
as we advance as a civilization and

2400
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:25,500
maybe in a hundred years there will be

2401
01:45:29,570 --> 01:45:26,490
zero

2402
01:45:31,460 --> 01:45:29,580
radio waves being emitted from here is

2403
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:31,470
that this one that I have to always have

2404
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:33,690
to put a caveat on is because it depends

2405
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:35,010
on what you use to transmit if they got

2406
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:36,930
something FTL then they probably use

2407
01:45:40,580 --> 01:45:39,210
that but you know it's hard to read all

2408
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:40,590
signals nowadays because it hadn't been

2409
01:45:46,460 --> 01:45:43,800
digitally compressed but the one thing

2410
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:46,470
you're least likely to compress and that

2411
01:45:50,930 --> 01:45:48,690
you want to make loudest to is something

2412
01:45:52,730 --> 01:45:50,940
like your GPS system or your your your

2413
01:45:54,110 --> 01:45:52,740
time and date system right and it would

2414
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:54,120
not be to me all that weird for

2415
01:45:57,890 --> 01:45:55,650
civilization even when it's been around

2416
01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:57,900
a very long time as but our methods to

2417
01:46:02,900 --> 01:46:00,780
have some really loud beacon in a radio

2418
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:02,910
spectrum that just shouted you're not

2419
01:46:07,900 --> 01:46:04,890
hello nice to meet you but the time is

2420
01:46:09,530 --> 01:46:07,910
12:22 p.m. over and over again yeah

2421
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:09,540
because that's how you get your

2422
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:11,250
navigational fix and they'd say that

2423
01:46:14,690 --> 01:46:12,690
would be more accurate than using a

2424
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:14,700
neutron star for instance so some

2425
01:46:20,690 --> 01:46:17,010
galactic GPS would you know probably be

2426
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:20,700
kicking around and once it's out there

2427
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:22,170
you don't care if it's moving slow

2428
01:46:25,970 --> 01:46:24,300
because it you actually want people to

2429
01:46:28,370 --> 01:46:25,980
be able to calculate off of how fast

2430
01:46:31,310 --> 01:46:28,380
it's going so they might have something

2431
01:46:32,450 --> 01:46:31,320
metal and be using that but just because

2432
01:46:34,010 --> 01:46:32,460
you have something better doesn't si

2433
01:46:36,860 --> 01:46:34,020
mean you stop using the old system

2434
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:36,870
either and we still do snail mail even

2435
01:46:41,540 --> 01:46:39,930
though we have email you know and a lot

2436
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:41,550
of our mediums as we advanced new ones

2437
01:46:45,170 --> 01:46:42,930
they I would say oh it's gonna kill off

2438
01:46:48,530 --> 01:46:45,180
the video killed the radio star well

2439
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:48,540
what are we doing right now years ago

2440
01:46:54,590 --> 01:46:50,610
yeah that's exactly right

2441
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:54,600
and so the fast radio bursts that we are

2442
01:47:01,370 --> 01:46:58,560
picking up now if they were signals of

2443
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:01,380
from an ancient civilization what

2444
01:47:08,090 --> 01:47:04,160
segments of their development are we

2445
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:08,100
detecting here right yeah it would have

2446
01:47:11,660 --> 01:47:10,050
to be pretty decently far ahead it's

2447
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:11,670
just because you replay mouth an entire

2448
01:47:15,620 --> 01:47:14,010
Sun to try to make it bulk out radio se

2449
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,630
knows that's that's a lot of manpower

2450
01:47:19,850 --> 01:47:17,760
and resources to be thrown none si

2451
01:47:20,660 --> 01:47:19,860
high-tech it's just it's it's like the

2452
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:20,670
Great Wall of China

2453
01:47:25,780 --> 01:47:23,400
it's a project you do with a lot of

2454
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:25,790
people it's not Hall and it's just big

2455
01:47:32,780 --> 01:47:28,710
well and by the time that we detect it

2456
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:32,790
are they still there I hope so

2457
01:47:36,650 --> 01:47:34,650
I mean they they will change

2458
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:36,660
if you look in a fast radio boss from

2459
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:39,810
10,000 light-years away 10,000 years ago

2460
01:47:43,820 --> 01:47:42,090
I mean we we wore a fairly advanced

2461
01:47:46,570 --> 01:47:43,830
civilization or late 10,000 years ago

2462
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:46,580
but you know not nothing like we all now

2463
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:49,770
and they will have changed a lot and

2464
01:47:52,670 --> 01:47:51,210
hopefully they would still be around

2465
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:52,680
that's one of those other Fermi paradox

2466
01:47:57,500 --> 01:47:54,570
solutions is that you know life is

2467
01:47:59,330 --> 01:47:57,510
common but it kills itself off a lot and

2468
01:48:01,250 --> 01:47:59,340
I think once you actually up into space

2469
01:48:02,630 --> 01:48:01,260
that becomes fairly unlikely just

2470
01:48:05,300 --> 01:48:02,640
because it's like trying to exterminate

2471
01:48:07,190 --> 01:48:05,310
a virus you can get the hosts easy

2472
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:07,200
enough you know you go blow up the plan

2473
01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:08,910
is walkie on the post who's got it but

2474
01:48:13,310 --> 01:48:10,140
it's already gone and spread on the

2475
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:13,320
places by then and and since we're

2476
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:14,760
intelligent well know what not to do

2477
01:48:19,940 --> 01:48:18,570
over again so I think once we're off

2478
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,950
earth with something that's actually a

2479
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:21,600
sustainable colony I like the moon or

2480
01:48:25,940 --> 01:48:23,400
mole as we can probably rule out that

2481
01:48:28,010 --> 01:48:25,950
civilizations blow themselves up la or

2482
01:48:29,210 --> 01:48:28,020
whether they exterminate themselves that

2483
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:29,220
way I mentioned they probably do blow

2484
01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:31,080
themselves up a lot but not fatally so

2485
01:48:37,730 --> 01:48:35,220
and with this distant the the vast

2486
01:48:42,020 --> 01:48:37,740
distances that we are talking about here

2487
01:48:43,790 --> 01:48:42,030
the the ships that would be used and I

2488
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:43,800
want to talk about the generational

2489
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:46,080
craft because that's exactly what arthur

2490
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:46,740
c clarke

2491
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:49,650
presented to as well and in Ramah your

2492
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:52,710
presentation is spot-on but what about

2493
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:55,770
the flip side of that which like if we

2494
01:49:00,320 --> 01:48:57,450
go to

2495
01:49:02,420 --> 01:49:00,330
dune for instance where now we are

2496
01:49:06,740 --> 01:49:02,430
folding space and we're not actually

2497
01:49:09,290 --> 01:49:06,750
traveling these vast distances but we

2498
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:09,300
have figured out a way to close that gap

2499
01:49:15,530 --> 01:49:12,810
and and make space travel instantaneous

2500
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:15,540
that actually changes your colonization

2501
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:18,810
profile completely I Frank Homer was

2502
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:20,460
never entirely consistent about the

2503
01:49:23,450 --> 01:49:22,230
setting but I think at one point you

2504
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:23,460
dimension that he wasn't even show off

2505
01:49:26,150 --> 01:49:24,780
the plants and the war on the same

2506
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:26,160
universe so they might inhale out

2507
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:27,810
realities mm-hmm

2508
01:49:31,820 --> 01:49:30,000
you know you if you can just fold space

2509
01:49:32,660 --> 01:49:31,830
to a location and it doesn't matter how

2510
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:32,670
far away it is

2511
01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:34,920
you don't expand outward as a loose

2512
01:49:39,860 --> 01:49:37,470
sphere you might have your second colony

2513
01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:39,870
in a different galaxy you just go for

2514
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:41,490
the lowest hanging fruit same applies

2515
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:43,530
for if you're going to copy clones of or

2516
01:49:47,810 --> 01:49:45,150
that all uninhabited and in knowing it

2517
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:47,820
realities your Empire mites

2518
01:49:52,970 --> 01:49:51,570
all over the place and because it's

2519
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:52,980
closer to get to the surface of another

2520
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:54,930
planet as a war than to fly the closest

2521
01:49:59,960 --> 01:49:58,320
all right and yeah you know June being a

2522
01:50:01,610 --> 01:49:59,970
great example of that we don't really

2523
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:01,620
know what the the Empire looks like they

2524
01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:02,730
are though I think they do eventually

2525
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:04,440
say it's a Galactic Empire which is

2526
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:05,610
something I never liked when they

2527
01:50:10,370 --> 01:50:08,850
realize that and to trading plants that

2528
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:10,380
are close partners might actually be

2529
01:50:12,980 --> 01:50:11,850
under solid galaxies with millions of

2530
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:12,990
other plants in between that won't

2531
01:50:17,780 --> 01:50:14,340
happen it just because that's how the

2532
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:17,790
trade routes went in then that's you say

2533
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:19,770
that's probably not possible I don't

2534
01:50:22,540 --> 01:50:20,850
think we're ever gonna figure out a way

2535
01:50:25,790 --> 01:50:22,550
to travel faster in life but if we do

2536
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:25,800
the method for how you do it is going to

2537
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:27,570
you know going to dominate how you

2538
01:50:31,940 --> 01:50:29,460
actually go about traveling through

2539
01:50:34,430 --> 01:50:31,950
space the Alcubierre warp drive for

2540
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:34,440
instance its maximum speed is is I think

2541
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:36,300
millions of light years a second on

2542
01:50:41,420 --> 01:50:38,850
people so you know you all traveling to

2543
01:50:43,010 --> 01:50:41,430
the other side of the galaxy almost

2544
01:50:46,250 --> 01:50:43,020
instantly and you're traveling to other

2545
01:50:48,230 --> 01:50:46,260
galaxies very easily and so distance no

2546
01:50:50,060 --> 01:50:48,240
longer has any effect you colonize by

2547
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:50,070
whichever ones are the easiest ones to

2548
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:54,210
colonize and when we when we look at the

2549
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:59,760
original UFO hypothesis which is a

2550
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:00,960
nuts-and-bolts

2551
01:51:06,530 --> 01:51:03,840
you know physical craft traveling these

2552
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:06,540
great distances and i've always had

2553
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:08,610
problems with you know a little flying

2554
01:51:14,270 --> 01:51:10,890
sauce or with a little et NAT where do

2555
01:51:17,900 --> 01:51:14,280
they sleep where's the food you know and

2556
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:17,910
traveling unless they came from a bigger

2557
01:51:22,010 --> 01:51:20,250
ship number one that we didn't see but

2558
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:22,020
the other thing is but won't because

2559
01:51:26,900 --> 01:51:24,510
it's easy they've got something else

2560
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:26,910
figured out here that we don't have any

2561
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:30,050
concept of and it's it's way beyond our

2562
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:32,580
imagination that it's just quite frankly

2563
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:35,840
easy to travel these great distances

2564
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:39,210
nobody would imagine you know a thousand

2565
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:41,850
years ago that if you want do a visit to

2566
01:51:46,130 --> 01:51:44,460
LA or to New York City that you would

2567
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:46,140
just get in a call and drive they are

2568
01:51:50,090 --> 01:51:48,000
after an afternoon or an evening on the

2569
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,100
road more hop on an airplane and do it

2570
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:52,320
if you got a big mothership it's

2571
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:53,370
probably not landing on the planet

2572
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:55,290
that's just a lot of dissipation of heat

2573
01:51:58,940 --> 01:51:57,570
and so obviously not very cohort and so

2574
01:52:01,610 --> 01:51:58,950
you probably would then send down small

2575
01:52:02,630 --> 01:52:01,620
shuttles and those could be very compact

2576
01:52:04,250 --> 01:52:02,640
really only need to have room for the

2577
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,260
person in them they probably a very good

2578
01:52:07,460 --> 01:52:05,760
animation that it could build anything

2579
01:52:09,860 --> 01:52:07,470
they really needed while they were down

2580
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,870
on the ground you know some very high

2581
01:52:13,610 --> 01:52:11,520
tech for 3d printing so they wouldn't

2582
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:13,620
necessarily big spaceships at all indeed

2583
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:14,850
a space probe might be something the

2584
01:52:18,980 --> 01:52:17,580
size of a paperback that's just full of

2585
01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:18,990
compressed machinery that's gonna come

2586
01:52:23,150 --> 01:52:20,990
out and make copies of itself mm-hmm

2587
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:23,160
following the blueprint to set up some

2588
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:24,930
big observatory or whichever bunch used

2589
01:52:29,570 --> 01:52:27,780
to do right and you know you can hide

2590
01:52:31,100 --> 01:52:29,580
those too you know you might say well

2591
01:52:32,660 --> 01:52:31,110
it's building probes on the planet but

2592
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,670
it might be building them just don't eat

2593
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:34,320
the ground there's some kind of you know

2594
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:36,560
vague thin net walk you can't even see

2595
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:39,780
and we don't know how that FTL travel

2596
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:41,310
would walk if it did we can talk about

2597
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:44,370
if it doesn't but if it did they might

2598
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:46,650
not need spaceships because I think you

2599
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:49,290
know Hammond did this in his um combo

2600
01:52:52,850 --> 01:52:51,330
saga they don't they travel between

2601
01:52:54,650 --> 01:52:52,860
plants but they just do it from ground

2602
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:54,660
to ground same as install gates they set

2603
01:52:59,210 --> 01:52:56,130
up a train that runs through a wormhole

2604
01:53:02,120 --> 01:52:59,220
on sofas or to planets you know it's

2605
01:53:07,820 --> 01:53:02,130
involved exactly and I I've always

2606
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:07,830
thought that if you if we US are going

2607
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:11,250
to go out and and discover well we're

2608
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:13,050
not going to do it with us being on

2609
01:53:18,170 --> 01:53:15,450
board you and I I Isaac we're gonna have

2610
01:53:19,940 --> 01:53:18,180
probes and now and you've brought up 3d

2611
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:19,950
printing so many in so many of your

2612
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:24,090
presentations that now it's an easier

2613
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:26,970
concept in that you would build as you

2614
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:29,340
go he would build the probes as you go

2615
01:53:35,420 --> 01:53:32,250
you would go out you could go and figure

2616
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:35,430
out the entire galaxy very quickly by

2617
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:38,010
building as you go and and that's how

2618
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:40,230
the exploration would happen and log

2619
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:44,610
each planet and in solar system as you

2620
01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:48,510
went by 3d printing and building as you

2621
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:51,750
come across the resources mm-hmm and it

2622
01:53:54,830 --> 01:53:53,370
doesn't take all that I mean we don't

2623
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:54,840
know that every source is gonna have a

2624
01:53:59,120 --> 01:53:57,210
big plan around it but how much material

2625
01:54:02,540 --> 01:53:59,130
do you need to build a few more probes

2626
01:54:04,010 --> 01:54:02,550
to each stop right and you know you can

2627
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:04,020
pack a lot into a probe there is a

2628
01:54:07,460 --> 01:54:05,610
minimum size you can make a spaceship

2629
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:07,470
because of all the radiation collision

2630
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,820
issues that doesn't let you send out

2631
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:11,520
something if you can store in tile

2632
01:54:15,290 --> 01:54:13,530
consciousnesses on something the size of

2633
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:15,300
a and

2634
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:17,580
you can't build a spaceship that

2635
01:54:22,570 --> 01:54:19,770
smallest needs be a decently bagel we're

2636
01:54:25,700 --> 01:54:22,580
talking at least the size of a an SUV

2637
01:54:27,500 --> 01:54:25,710
that's still nothing for mantle one any

2638
01:54:29,540 --> 01:54:27,510
one random asteroid I mean one of the

2639
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:29,550
big ones with names who has enough

2640
01:54:34,130 --> 01:54:32,010
material and to build such probes to go

2641
01:54:36,110 --> 01:54:34,140
to every single solar system in the

2642
01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:36,120
galaxy so you don't really have to

2643
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,340
invest a lot of mass even if you decide

2644
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:40,800
you want to conserve mass then at the

2645
01:54:46,010 --> 01:54:44,130
next stop they build more but those

2646
01:54:48,530 --> 01:54:46,020
probes don't have to be too simple

2647
01:54:51,380 --> 01:54:48,540
either as an example let's say I had

2648
01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:51,390
scanned copies of a research team the

2649
01:54:54,830 --> 01:54:53,100
same research team on every probe 2 or

2650
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:54,840
100 or so people who exported everything

2651
01:54:59,840 --> 01:54:57,450
and when a pope arrives it finds

2652
01:55:02,600 --> 01:54:59,850
anything interesting it builds our

2653
01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:02,610
Android body for that export and uploads

2654
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:04,950
that mind available to that Android and

2655
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:06,510
bam you got your export they are on-site

2656
01:55:10,910 --> 01:55:08,130
they don't have to travel to maker the

2657
01:55:12,860 --> 01:55:10,920
additional trip right and they just send

2658
01:55:15,140 --> 01:55:12,870
the information home and that's it and

2659
01:55:18,830 --> 01:55:15,150
they're constantly logging that's it

2660
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:18,840
just logging and one of the aspects of

2661
01:55:23,930 --> 01:55:21,930
when you watch like Star Trek especially

2662
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:23,940
the original series or you know what

2663
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,450
Oroville is is really good by the way

2664
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:29,040
it's really really the first couple

2665
01:55:32,690 --> 01:55:30,270
episodes I didn't like it then I

2666
01:55:32,990 --> 01:55:32,700
rewatched and it was great about lost in

2667
01:55:35,540 --> 01:55:33,000
space

2668
01:55:38,030 --> 01:55:35,550
I didn't like you reboot four episodes

2669
01:55:39,740 --> 01:55:38,040
that grew on me I can't wait for the

2670
01:55:41,330 --> 01:55:39,750
second season of loss in space it's

2671
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:41,340
gonna be great but there's one thing

2672
01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:43,170
that they point out over and over again

2673
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:45,750
that we lose sight of they are

2674
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:49,710
discovering planets and stars that

2675
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,410
weren't logged before or weren't named

2676
01:55:56,900 --> 01:55:54,480
and that would have to be the way that

2677
01:56:00,530 --> 01:55:56,910
it is if we're dealing with literally

2678
01:56:03,530 --> 01:56:00,540
trillions right it's just a that's all

2679
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:03,540
you are out there doing is discovering

2680
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:07,110
new systems ya know and I mean we might

2681
01:56:10,430 --> 01:56:08,970
be able to scale almost all of them heal

2682
01:56:12,770 --> 01:56:10,440
we have something called the zone of

2683
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:12,780
avoidance which sounds much cooler than

2684
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:14,730
it is it's the chunk of the galaxy we

2685
01:56:18,650 --> 01:56:16,470
can't see cuz the center of the galaxies

2686
01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:18,660
in the way there's second zone of

2687
01:56:24,500 --> 01:56:19,860
avoidance the other one is the one line

2688
01:56:26,030 --> 01:56:24,510
of Evo feet from the earth but you know

2689
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:26,040
we all gonna have to get out there and

2690
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:27,210
take a quick look at a lot of these

2691
01:56:30,500 --> 01:56:29,310
places much closer up

2692
01:56:31,940 --> 01:56:30,510
and say well he could build a big enough

2693
01:56:33,860 --> 01:56:31,950
telescope and you can build some

2694
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:33,870
monstrous telescopes in space ain't

2695
01:56:38,090 --> 01:56:35,850
plant sized thin ones if you want to

2696
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:38,100
mm-hmm but it's still gonna be so much

2697
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:39,810
easier to send something out there as

2698
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:41,040
they're saying with like the moon

2699
01:56:44,330 --> 01:56:43,170
landings for instance Hubble cannot see

2700
01:56:47,780 --> 01:56:44,340
the moon landing side so there's

2701
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:47,790
anything more than one blowy pixel and

2702
01:56:52,370 --> 01:56:50,280
that's all best telescope of Naniwa it's

2703
01:56:55,580 --> 01:56:52,380
one of our best telescopes and the moon

2704
01:56:56,990 --> 01:56:55,590
is really really close if you want to

2705
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:57,000
get good data on these places you're

2706
01:57:00,620 --> 01:56:58,530
going to need to send a ship out there

2707
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:00,630
and it's either gonna be flying by at

2708
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:02,370
near relativistic speed with just enough

2709
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:06,090
time oh no is it war or it's gonna have

2710
01:57:09,770 --> 01:57:08,130
to stop slow down and look at the place

2711
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:09,780
and if you got to prove this every

2712
01:57:13,970 --> 01:57:12,000
stopped and slowed down and that's been

2713
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:13,980
designed to repair itself and nice and

2714
01:57:17,660 --> 01:57:16,050
high-tech you to kind of expect to go

2715
01:57:19,550 --> 01:57:17,670
how to do some kind of landing and

2716
01:57:22,220 --> 01:57:19,560
produce more probes on the spot to take

2717
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:22,230
closer looks and again if it's

2718
01:57:26,270 --> 01:57:24,000
borderline artificial intelligence why

2719
01:57:28,610 --> 01:57:26,280
not send along scouting teams that way

2720
01:57:30,170 --> 01:57:28,620
too but these automated probes don't

2721
01:57:32,030 --> 01:57:30,180
really get there any faster and you or I

2722
01:57:34,130 --> 01:57:32,040
will they they have an advantage on

2723
01:57:37,010 --> 01:57:34,140
acceleration basically they can same top

2724
01:57:38,660 --> 01:57:37,020
speed so you might just send make you

2725
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:38,670
lowered people on a colony ship there

2726
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:40,170
they it's not that hard to build one

2727
01:57:43,550 --> 01:57:41,580
with that kind of technology if you've

2728
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:43,560
got that tech you can send normal people

2729
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,050
to so you could easily have huge

2730
01:57:49,790 --> 01:57:47,760
exploration missions that went and

2731
01:57:52,370 --> 01:57:49,800
visited these systems and colonize them

2732
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:52,380
if there was if they were so inclined to

2733
01:57:56,900 --> 01:57:55,170
and you're you know you're not gonna

2734
01:57:58,730 --> 01:57:56,910
have a civilization really anymore

2735
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,740
that's a single civilization but same as

2736
01:58:02,420 --> 01:58:00,480
a hunter-gatherer spanning from you know

2737
01:58:04,250 --> 01:58:02,430
Asia to North America want a single

2738
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:04,260
civilization they will get spread out

2739
01:58:08,510 --> 01:58:07,020
there and they'll mutate into voyage we

2740
01:58:10,910 --> 01:58:08,520
don't say with aliens if they if they

2741
01:58:12,530 --> 01:58:10,920
don't exist yet wait a million years and

2742
01:58:14,270 --> 01:58:12,540
they will just they might have

2743
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:14,280
originated from Earth there still be

2744
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,650
alien to us because that's a lot of

2745
01:58:21,110 --> 01:58:18,960
devotions even without throwing in you

2746
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:21,120
know artificial routes like site but la

2747
01:58:25,700 --> 01:58:24,210
so genetic engineering so this is the

2748
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:25,710
question is are we the first ones they

2749
01:58:29,900 --> 01:58:28,050
or and is everyone if not going to at

2750
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:29,910
the same way we would or close enough

2751
01:58:33,500 --> 01:58:32,010
that we can predict their behavior but

2752
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:33,510
there's so many planets out there and

2753
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:35,490
that's just our galaxy we're not limited

2754
01:58:38,110 --> 01:58:37,170
to all galaxy universe does not stop

2755
01:58:41,020 --> 01:58:38,120
there

2756
01:58:43,150 --> 01:58:41,030
and you can keep going after that yes

2757
01:58:45,730 --> 01:58:43,160
always between the galaxies even when

2758
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:45,740
you look at the original we've got 30

2759
01:58:50,460 --> 01:58:47,210
seconds I'll just make a quick comment

2760
01:58:53,470 --> 01:58:50,470
when you look at the original Hubble

2761
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:53,480
shots which are just a little tiny

2762
01:58:58,510 --> 01:58:56,810
little piece of everything and you blow

2763
01:59:01,210 --> 01:58:58,520
that up and everything that we thought

2764
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:01,220
were stars are galaxies and galaxy

2765
01:59:08,620 --> 01:59:05,960
clusters infinite great and I'd actually

2766
01:59:10,030 --> 01:59:08,630
be infinite to my you see a certain

2767
01:59:11,980 --> 01:59:10,040
distance there's nothing to indicate the

2768
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:11,990
universe ends at that area it might be

2769
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:14,930
infinite in size it's crazy when you

2770
01:59:19,570 --> 01:59:17,210
think about that because each one is a

2771
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:19,580
hundred billion two hundred billion the

2772
01:59:24,870 --> 01:59:22,370
the numbers and those are the what's

2773
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:24,880
inside of each galaxy and then there are

2774
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:27,830
literally hundreds of billions maybe

2775
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:30,170
even a trillion or an infinite amount of

2776
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:32,930
galaxies it blows my mind absolutely

2777
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:34,730
blows my mind let's take a brace is

2778
01:59:38,380 --> 01:59:38,090
really big it's really big our guest

2779
01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:38,390
tonight

2780
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Isaac Arthur when we come back we're

2781
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gonna continue the conversation but I

2782
01:59:46,990 --> 01:59:44,510
want to talk a little sci-fi and we're

2783
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:47,000
gonna do that next and gaming there's a

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:50,750
your host Jimmy church tonight Isaac

2895
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:53,090
Arthur's here been waiting for this

2896
02:04:57,730 --> 02:04:55,250
conversation for a very long time and

2897
02:05:01,480 --> 02:04:57,740
I'm a little uh I'm a little overwhelmed

2898
02:05:03,550 --> 02:05:01,490
I need to uh I need to ground myself

2899
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:03,560
again and I'm gonna do it with this

2900
02:05:11,500 --> 02:05:09,170
Isaac this is where my mind loses itself

2901
02:05:14,070 --> 02:05:11,510
with with all of these concepts and it's

2902
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:14,080
this it's the concept of the hive mind

2903
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:17,330
and I'm gonna take it a step further

2904
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:22,490
the sci-fi science fiction community the

2905
02:05:30,730 --> 02:05:27,490
gaming community Dwarfs our ufology

2906
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:30,740
conspiracy community and and each week I

2907
02:05:37,020 --> 02:05:33,530
speak to literally millions of in our

2908
02:05:41,710 --> 02:05:37,030
community and what is out there beyond

2909
02:05:43,540 --> 02:05:41,720
our community that doesn't even know

2910
02:05:45,870 --> 02:05:43,550
about coast to coast am or fade to black

2911
02:05:50,620 --> 02:05:45,880
right they don't know but the

2912
02:05:54,010 --> 02:05:50,630
conversations of alien tech and the the

2913
02:05:57,550 --> 02:05:54,020
complexities of all of this to get a

2914
02:06:01,660 --> 02:05:57,560
book written or to get a game done all

2915
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:01,670
of these concepts are considered and the

2916
02:06:06,280 --> 02:06:04,250
question of alien life and how they get

2917
02:06:09,340 --> 02:06:06,290
here or how we would travel to the stars

2918
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:09,350
and this technology is all encapsulated

2919
02:06:16,210 --> 02:06:13,250
in these in these concepts and ideas and

2920
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:16,220
I believe that it's a high vine concept

2921
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:20,210
that alien life out there is an accepted

2922
02:06:26,740 --> 02:06:24,170
an accepted reality and everybody

2923
02:06:31,420 --> 02:06:26,750
studies this and it reflects back into

2924
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:31,430
your work as well I think we always say

2925
02:06:36,490 --> 02:06:34,970
with a hive mind you say could we have a

2926
02:06:37,900 --> 02:06:36,500
hive mind one day and say well we've had

2927
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:37,910
a hive mind for quite some time

2928
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:40,010
basic concept behind human intelligence

2929
02:06:45,130 --> 02:06:43,250
is that we specialize and we network and

2930
02:06:47,110 --> 02:06:45,140
then we invented writing we certainly

2931
02:06:48,850 --> 02:06:47,120
could include no hive mind dead people

2932
02:06:50,650 --> 02:06:48,860
as well they become part of the mixture

2933
02:06:53,050 --> 02:06:50,660
someone doesn't have to be there anymore

2934
02:06:54,430 --> 02:06:53,060
to to speak to us they could be on

2935
02:06:56,920 --> 02:06:54,440
another continent they could be dead for

2936
02:06:58,840 --> 02:06:56,930
a century we get these you know with

2937
02:06:59,320 --> 02:06:58,850
that space we call that come you know

2938
02:07:01,870 --> 02:06:59,330
community

2939
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:01,880
right from the get-go but that's kind of

2940
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:03,650
how that can advance and and to what

2941
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:05,840
degree it would is is certainly going to

2942
02:07:08,770 --> 02:07:06,920
depend on the individual

2943
02:07:11,110 --> 02:07:08,780
we were talking now gaming you know it's

2944
02:07:13,210 --> 02:07:11,120
to me gaming is still pen and paper or

2945
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:13,220
Dungeons & Dragons with the dice but I

2946
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:14,690
guess these days that means more video

2947
02:07:18,460 --> 02:07:16,010
games

2948
02:07:21,370 --> 02:07:18,470
you know the science fiction the game

2949
02:07:23,260 --> 02:07:21,380
computer fassio sci-fi is where so many

2950
02:07:25,540 --> 02:07:23,270
of these ideas do actually end up kenny

2951
02:07:27,580 --> 02:07:25,550
explorer so a lot of times of the

2952
02:07:29,950 --> 02:07:27,590
channel we always like to me say the the

2953
02:07:31,870 --> 02:07:29,960
science inspires the science fiction and

2954
02:07:34,420 --> 02:07:31,880
the alt which come back and spiral

2955
02:07:36,550 --> 02:07:34,430
people or to go into the sciences and to

2956
02:07:39,160 --> 02:07:36,560
support the sciences and it's just it's

2957
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,170
a constant feedback loop it is and i

2958
02:07:50,260 --> 02:07:41,840
believe it's it's the hive mind and we

2959
02:07:51,490 --> 02:07:50,270
don't even under constantly yeah it just

2960
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:51,500
depends on the method for doing it I

2961
02:07:55,330 --> 02:07:53,690
mean author see clock of course know all

2962
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:55,340
the sci-fi vitals and fifties sixties

2963
02:08:00,130 --> 02:07:57,760
and seventies were really into telepathy

2964
02:08:01,660 --> 02:08:00,140
that's kind of gone away from in science

2965
02:08:04,420 --> 02:08:01,670
fiction these days I think because we

2966
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:04,430
can see it emerging as more they're the

2967
02:08:09,370 --> 02:08:07,370
technological telepathy where you can

2968
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:09,380
connect people instantly you know the

2969
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:10,850
bandwidth we use for that right now is

2970
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:13,250
speech and audio and text but that's

2971
02:08:16,540 --> 02:08:14,810
likely to mutate into something much

2972
02:08:20,290 --> 02:08:16,550
more direct and high bandwidth in the

2973
02:08:21,670 --> 02:08:20,300
future and where that stops you know

2974
02:08:23,470 --> 02:08:21,680
where that goes there are so many

2975
02:08:25,900 --> 02:08:23,480
different options and it's not which one

2976
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:25,910
will happen but more likely all of them

2977
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:28,280
would happen you might have big classic

2978
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:30,920
sci-fi hive minds like the Borg or you

2979
02:08:33,550 --> 02:08:32,090
might just have communities where people

2980
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:33,560
are very used to you know talk to each

2981
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:34,730
other from the other side of the planet

2982
02:08:38,740 --> 02:08:37,130
instantly you know we just don't know

2983
02:08:40,570 --> 02:08:38,750
how that's gonna happen but if you do

2984
02:08:43,180 --> 02:08:40,580
get such great communities poppy-up

2985
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:43,190
nowadays because of that early hive mind

2986
02:08:47,170 --> 02:08:45,440
aspect I don't have to find that one

2987
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:47,180
post in my town who shares my hobbies

2988
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:49,610
anymore I can find the ten thousand

2989
02:08:52,990 --> 02:08:51,290
people on the planet who share my one

2990
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:53,000
really bizarre hobby that only one a

2991
02:08:58,570 --> 02:08:55,850
million people enjoy and he all my one

2992
02:09:01,120 --> 02:08:58,580
interest and you know that's only going

2993
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:01,130
to keep getting easier and better as

2994
02:09:07,570 --> 02:09:04,370
time goes on what do we do when we talk

2995
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:07,580
about this concept of the hive mind

2996
02:09:13,410 --> 02:09:10,730
and also start to incorporate our other

2997
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:13,420
scientific realities today which is

2998
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:16,730
bonham quantum computing entanglement

2999
02:09:23,610 --> 02:09:19,210
you brought up tachyons earlier and

3000
02:09:26,260 --> 02:09:23,620
instant reactions at the atomic level

3001
02:09:29,170 --> 02:09:26,270
instant not not faster than the speed of

3002
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:29,180
light but faster than that instant

3003
02:09:36,990 --> 02:09:34,010
across vast infinite distances could

3004
02:09:41,110 --> 02:09:37,000
there be communication that is happening

3005
02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:41,120
with an alien civilization here in in in

3006
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:42,650
the now now that we don't even realize

3007
02:09:49,780 --> 02:09:46,810
that it's coming from another galaxy

3008
02:09:50,710 --> 02:09:49,790
possibly spooky action at distance and

3009
02:09:52,660 --> 02:09:50,720
we don't know that's necessarily

3010
02:09:53,860 --> 02:09:52,670
instantaneous just that's faster and

3011
02:09:55,690 --> 02:09:53,870
light it's always hard to prove

3012
02:09:58,840 --> 02:09:55,700
something that you know is zero infinity

3013
02:10:00,700 --> 02:09:58,850
as a war the problem with the quantum

3014
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:00,710
entanglement a spooky action distance is

3015
02:10:05,110 --> 02:10:02,810
well that does happen faster and lights

3016
02:10:07,060 --> 02:10:05,120
as best as we can tell the only

3017
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:07,070
information that sends is basically the

3018
02:10:11,710 --> 02:10:09,920
single bit of up or down and you can't

3019
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:11,720
predict it what it's going to come out

3020
02:10:15,250 --> 02:10:13,250
as you can absorb it but you can't

3021
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:15,260
predict it which makes it really hard

3022
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:16,850
and no one's really thought of a method

3023
02:10:18,910 --> 02:10:18,530
yet to actually send information that

3024
02:10:20,620 --> 02:10:18,920
way

3025
02:10:22,990 --> 02:10:20,630
somebody might figure out how to do it

3026
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:23,000
down the road but at the moment it

3027
02:10:27,730 --> 02:10:24,290
doesn't look like we can use that focal

3028
02:10:29,470 --> 02:10:27,740
communication if you can though all of a

3029
02:10:31,810 --> 02:10:29,480
sudden you've got a galactic internet

3030
02:10:34,030 --> 02:10:31,820
because you got galactic speed travel

3031
02:10:35,380 --> 02:10:34,040
and if you don't have the spaceships do

3032
02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:35,390
it you can start sending people around

3033
02:10:39,670 --> 02:10:37,630
it's just digitally to compress data

3034
02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:39,680
although that's going to take a huge

3035
02:10:42,250 --> 02:10:41,210
amount of bandwidth and we don't know

3036
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:42,260
what the bandwidth on something like

3037
02:10:47,140 --> 02:10:44,510
that would be but even if it was just

3038
02:10:49,420 --> 02:10:47,150
basic text like a old-school your one

3039
02:10:52,270 --> 02:10:49,430
kilobyte per second modem right that

3040
02:10:54,250 --> 02:10:52,280
changes the game an awful lot and even

3041
02:10:56,860 --> 02:10:54,260
if it's not instantaneous but just much

3042
02:10:58,210 --> 02:10:56,870
faster and light you know it's a game

3043
02:11:00,370 --> 02:10:58,220
changer on how we would expect

3044
02:11:02,770 --> 02:11:00,380
civilizations to all out and how they go

3045
02:11:04,900 --> 02:11:02,780
about absorbing things you do not need a

3046
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:04,910
very big sense or a probe on a planet

3047
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:06,890
for instance if you can relay

3048
02:11:11,020 --> 02:11:08,810
instantaneously back and forth Central

3049
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:11,030
Command what you want that Pro to look

3050
02:11:18,580 --> 02:11:15,650
at and do I want to I want to I want to

3051
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:18,590
discuss teleportation and you know what

3052
02:11:22,300 --> 02:11:19,610
you're

3053
02:11:26,740 --> 02:11:22,310
your take on it is daunting it kind of

3054
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:26,750
bummed me out actually sometimes very

3055
02:11:32,229 --> 02:11:29,690
optimistic no I spoil things with

3056
02:11:36,100 --> 02:11:32,239
people's up times too so we're gonna get

3057
02:11:39,459 --> 02:11:36,110
to teleportation but there the phenomena

3058
02:11:43,260 --> 02:11:39,469
of people on this planet of which there

3059
02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:43,270
are millions that are channeling

3060
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:47,210
something what when you hear about this

3061
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:49,250
and I know that you've you know you've

3062
02:11:54,070 --> 02:11:51,050
heard enough about you know channeling

3063
02:11:55,689 --> 02:11:54,080
different species or play Tian's or Zeta

3064
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:55,699
Reticuli right and they're they're

3065
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:56,330
channeling

3066
02:12:02,169 --> 02:12:00,560
and et presence and they're conveying

3067
02:12:03,810 --> 02:12:02,179
that information back to us here on

3068
02:12:05,950 --> 02:12:03,820
earth and they've got a message for us

3069
02:12:08,050 --> 02:12:05,960
ultimately what do you think is going on

3070
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:08,060
is it the possibility of some type of

3071
02:12:14,729 --> 02:12:10,880
entanglement and communication that ET

3072
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:14,739
is figured out and we are just you know

3073
02:12:19,300 --> 02:12:17,360
bumping into the radio signals if you

3074
02:12:21,580 --> 02:12:19,310
were but what do you think is happening

3075
02:12:27,310 --> 02:12:21,590
with that too many people are doing it

3076
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:27,320
for it to be insanity right a mental

3077
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:30,320
issue well you know this is the thing on

3078
02:12:33,729 --> 02:12:32,090
stuff like that is they say well you

3079
02:12:35,470 --> 02:12:33,739
can't accuse everybody being wrong or

3080
02:12:37,180 --> 02:12:35,480
being a lie or and of course I would

3081
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:37,190
imagine some people do lie about it

3082
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:38,810
there's always some folks who would but

3083
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:40,610
they are people who lied about going to

3084
02:12:45,550 --> 02:12:41,210
California

3085
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:45,560
arm but it doesn't uh say mean they're

3086
02:12:48,910 --> 02:12:47,330
right or they got the idea right - and

3087
02:12:50,439 --> 02:12:48,920
only they'd claim that either I mean

3088
02:12:52,990 --> 02:12:50,449
this is a mysterious thing that's going

3089
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:53,000
on to them so they don't know how it

3090
02:12:56,350 --> 02:12:54,290
walks they just think that it does

3091
02:12:57,879 --> 02:12:56,360
there's a lot of holes that one would

3092
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:57,889
have to have plugged for me that to make

3093
02:13:02,740 --> 02:13:00,560
sense a concept if we don't know how the

3094
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:02,750
FTL thing is walking that someone's

3095
02:13:07,090 --> 02:13:04,400
usually communicate we can't say how

3096
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,100
would it actually manifest but you would

3097
02:13:11,709 --> 02:13:09,679
expect in a case like that that if

3098
02:13:13,330 --> 02:13:11,719
you're talking someone far away they

3099
02:13:15,490 --> 02:13:13,340
would if they're sending an intentional

3100
02:13:18,070 --> 02:13:15,500
message want that message to be believed

3101
02:13:19,870 --> 02:13:18,080
so you know if I was trying to talk to a

3102
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:19,880
civilization like all was from you know

3103
02:13:23,919 --> 02:13:22,159
the 25th century whatever I'd probably

3104
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:23,929
be sending them stuff that they could

3105
02:13:28,209 --> 02:13:26,000
not possibly you know they that he could

3106
02:13:30,939 --> 02:13:28,219
verify and I have a really easy way to

3107
02:13:31,770 --> 02:13:30,949
do that if I'm far away because I'm back

3108
02:13:34,050 --> 02:13:31,780
in time

3109
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:34,060
them.i Mayo going to be able to look at

3110
02:13:37,710 --> 02:13:36,130
a phenomena that I saw olio that the

3111
02:13:40,830 --> 02:13:37,720
light hasn't reaches yet for them and

3112
02:13:42,900 --> 02:13:40,840
say oh so if I predict a supernova that

3113
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:42,910
I've already seen but they won't see for

3114
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:45,040
another decade I can say look at the sky

3115
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,090
you know October 12 2021 there will be a

3116
02:13:54,330 --> 02:13:51,760
supernova when that happens that you've

3117
02:13:55,830 --> 02:13:54,340
pretty much proven that behind any

3118
02:13:57,810 --> 02:13:55,840
reasonable doubt especially we doing

3119
02:13:59,160 --> 02:13:57,820
this multiple times or if you send

3120
02:14:00,810 --> 02:13:59,170
information this is how you build a

3121
02:14:03,690 --> 02:14:00,820
fusion reactor but even just those

3122
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:03,700
observations you can tell them you know

3123
02:14:07,110 --> 02:14:05,530
this signal will alive at this point in

3124
02:14:08,820 --> 02:14:07,120
time this star will do this at this

3125
02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:08,830
point time this one will flare at this

3126
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:10,870
point in time and you will see them at

3127
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:12,610
these times we already saw them you know

3128
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:14,170
mm-hmm the light has a reach you yet

3129
02:14:20,820 --> 02:14:18,130
that is such a dead perfect proof of

3130
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:20,830
what's going on that nobody's gonna you

3131
02:14:24,510 --> 02:14:23,110
know argue with that and so I think

3132
02:14:26,460 --> 02:14:24,520
that's where con comes back to the

3133
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:26,470
skeptic thing is that's how I do it that

3134
02:14:29,190 --> 02:14:27,730
doesn't assay me that they do it that

3135
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:29,200
way but they would do something along

3136
02:14:32,670 --> 02:14:31,210
those lines if I can think of a way to

3137
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:32,680
do that off my head they can probably

3138
02:14:35,820 --> 02:14:35,110
think of a better one but they can use

3139
02:14:39,090 --> 02:14:35,830
that one

3140
02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:39,100
why don't they yeah it would mean if the

3141
02:14:43,620 --> 02:14:41,620
Yankees relations right it wouldn't be

3142
02:14:45,420 --> 02:14:43,630
if the Yankees won the World Series in

3143
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:45,430
20 they wouldn't have that information

3144
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:47,410
but they would have something that would

3145
02:14:52,230 --> 02:14:50,130
be from the heavens interstellar

3146
02:14:53,700 --> 02:14:52,240
something we could see that the light

3147
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:53,710
got to us a little bit later

3148
02:14:57,300 --> 02:14:55,210
you know they know we're gonna see it at

3149
02:15:00,930 --> 02:14:57,310
this time they just tell us to look out

3150
02:15:02,580 --> 02:15:00,940
for it you know and that's how you would

3151
02:15:04,710 --> 02:15:02,590
go about proving something like that and

3152
02:15:06,810 --> 02:15:04,720
so it goes to motivations assuming they

3153
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:06,820
exist to have motivations what is their

3154
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:08,770
goal why are they doing this and if they

3155
02:15:13,950 --> 02:15:11,770
wore using those motivations what method

3156
02:15:15,180 --> 02:15:13,960
would they use if they wants to know

3157
02:15:18,180 --> 02:15:15,190
something if they are intentionally

3158
02:15:20,490 --> 02:15:18,190
sending us messages then they should as

3159
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:20,500
we just showed have some very easy ways

3160
02:15:24,510 --> 02:15:23,050
to prove it if they want it proven we

3161
02:15:25,650 --> 02:15:24,520
don't know what they do it could be a

3162
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:25,660
prank story could be an anthropologist

3163
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:28,270
it could be you know some lone rebel

3164
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:29,410
group that really doesn't want to give

3165
02:15:32,670 --> 02:15:31,210
away what their location is luckily

3166
02:15:35,460 --> 02:15:32,680
could be too exact about what data

3167
02:15:37,170 --> 02:15:35,470
they're doing and that's EB given one of

3168
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:37,180
these theories though we have to look at

3169
02:15:41,310 --> 02:15:39,490
what the motive for that would be and

3170
02:15:42,750 --> 02:15:41,320
how they would proceed and it doesn't

3171
02:15:44,699 --> 02:15:42,760
hold up consistently it puts mark

3172
02:15:46,679 --> 02:15:44,709
against that that theory

3173
02:15:51,629 --> 02:15:46,689
let's bum everybody out and talk some

3174
02:15:54,060 --> 02:15:51,639
teleportation now you're okay I want you

3175
02:15:55,319 --> 02:15:54,070
to this is gonna be off of the top of

3176
02:15:59,339 --> 02:15:55,329
your head I don't think you've got this

3177
02:16:02,419 --> 02:15:59,349
data in front of you but you did talk

3178
02:16:08,819 --> 02:16:02,429
about the amount of information that

3179
02:16:12,089 --> 02:16:08,829
would need to be streamed from our own

3180
02:16:14,969 --> 02:16:12,099
body to reconstruct and you spewed out

3181
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:14,979
these numbers in who predated not what

3182
02:16:20,580 --> 02:16:18,070
well there goes that idea it is a lot of

3183
02:16:22,949 --> 02:16:20,590
data yeah it's a lion I mean bandwidth

3184
02:16:24,750 --> 02:16:22,959
wise if you're trying to transmit a

3185
02:16:27,479 --> 02:16:24,760
human's memory that actually might not

3186
02:16:30,839 --> 02:16:27,489
be too big we don't know what the

3187
02:16:32,099 --> 02:16:30,849
posthumous but what's stored on they are

3188
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:32,109
especially cuz you could propagate were

3189
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:34,210
compressing a lot you might be able to

3190
02:16:38,759 --> 02:16:36,729
send that in something relatively small

3191
02:16:40,259 --> 02:16:38,769
I mean maybe even something that we

3192
02:16:42,299 --> 02:16:40,269
could store nowadays in the terabyte

3193
02:16:44,490 --> 02:16:42,309
range but that's still a lot of

3194
02:16:46,679 --> 02:16:44,500
bandwidth you think about new horizons

3195
02:16:49,860 --> 02:16:46,689
the probe it just uh just went by Ultima

3196
02:16:51,150 --> 02:16:49,870
Thule a few days back that thing is

3197
02:16:53,610 --> 02:16:51,160
going to some photographs they're gonna

3198
02:16:55,049 --> 02:16:53,620
take two years to transmit back to us

3199
02:16:59,219 --> 02:16:55,059
because it's transmitting about one

3200
02:17:00,299 --> 02:16:59,229
kilobyte a second Wow and it's not

3201
02:17:02,519 --> 02:17:00,309
because we just you know it's not that

3202
02:17:05,490 --> 02:17:02,529
old attack I think launched in 2005 at

3203
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:05,500
the best we had at the time right it's

3204
02:17:11,250 --> 02:17:08,080
just that the power needed to send the

3205
02:17:15,059 --> 02:17:11,260
signal even with huger dishes listening

3206
02:17:16,349 --> 02:17:15,069
to it is enormous you know to send a

3207
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:16,359
single byte that we're going to pick up

3208
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:19,330
and so it has to send that data really

3209
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:21,010
slow and it doesn't have that much power

3210
02:17:25,229 --> 02:17:23,889
and you can rant the power up a lot I

3211
02:17:26,939 --> 02:17:25,239
mean it hasn't had much power because

3212
02:17:29,700 --> 02:17:26,949
it's got a really tiny power source a

3213
02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:29,710
planet in another solar system has to

3214
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:31,660
rant that power up even more but they

3215
02:17:36,780 --> 02:17:33,609
would have gigantic reactors to do that

3216
02:17:40,019 --> 02:17:36,790
with but when we're talking about the

3217
02:17:40,740 --> 02:17:40,029
human body now what what kind of

3218
02:17:42,750 --> 02:17:40,750
bandwidth

3219
02:17:44,219 --> 02:17:42,760
what's kinda goes up actually and you

3220
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:44,229
intentionally talking about needing to

3221
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:47,889
use potentially I mean that could be up

3222
02:17:51,450 --> 02:17:49,449
in the ten to twenty fourth bytes or

3223
02:17:53,459 --> 02:17:51,460
more and you could compress a lot of

3224
02:17:55,530 --> 02:17:53,469
that to I mean it's a lot of its we you

3225
02:17:58,110 --> 02:17:55,540
know repeated data someone might not be

3226
02:18:00,480 --> 02:17:58,120
okay with being compressed though yeah

3227
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:00,490
but we don't even have all the same DNA

3228
02:18:04,379 --> 02:18:02,710
for each of our individual cells if you

3229
02:18:07,290 --> 02:18:04,389
actually want to send a blueprint of

3230
02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:07,300
every last atom in someone's body in

3231
02:18:12,419 --> 02:18:09,550
terms of what it was and where it was we

3232
02:18:14,190 --> 02:18:12,429
have something like 30 trillion cells

3233
02:18:15,629 --> 02:18:14,200
something along those lines and each one

3234
02:18:18,540 --> 02:18:15,639
of those cells is like a trillion atoms

3235
02:18:20,610 --> 02:18:18,550
in it you're talking about a packet that

3236
02:18:24,209 --> 02:18:20,620
would need a terabyte line and would

3237
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:24,219
take still decades to send even at that

3238
02:18:29,340 --> 02:18:27,910
speed you know at a hundred times faster

3239
02:18:30,900 --> 02:18:29,350
than the fastest publicly available

3240
02:18:33,600 --> 02:18:30,910
internet it still is going to need

3241
02:18:35,430 --> 02:18:33,610
centuries to send a single person yeah

3242
02:18:37,140 --> 02:18:35,440
and that's problematic when you're using

3243
02:18:39,330 --> 02:18:37,150
for ladies o2 because those things

3244
02:18:40,980 --> 02:18:39,340
spread out over distance so you want to

3245
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:40,990
avoid signal noise you do still have a

3246
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:44,650
bandwidth limit so I to understand what

3247
02:18:50,669 --> 02:18:48,370
you just said so you've got 25 trillion

3248
02:18:54,180 --> 02:18:50,679
cells in in our body

3249
02:18:57,140 --> 02:18:54,190
okay that's one daunting figure but

3250
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,150
what's inside of each one of those cells

3251
02:19:00,990 --> 02:18:59,200
trillions of individuals so I mean just

3252
02:19:03,540 --> 02:19:01,000
the DNA code alone is a billion of those

3253
02:19:05,310 --> 02:19:03,550
now to be fair you can compress a lot

3254
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:05,320
you really don't need to have an exact

3255
02:19:09,510 --> 02:19:08,170
copy of every last strand of DNA because

3256
02:19:12,030 --> 02:19:09,520
even though most of us have one little

3257
02:19:13,650 --> 02:19:12,040
mutation off from each other you can

3258
02:19:15,150 --> 02:19:13,660
send just that mutation or you don't

3259
02:19:17,129 --> 02:19:15,160
even send it I don't really care if one

3260
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:17,139
of my cells and lies with a different

3261
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:18,969
DNA packet than had before if it's still

3262
02:19:25,169 --> 02:19:21,850
one of my DNA strands it's just a little

3263
02:19:27,930 --> 02:19:25,179
different but so you don't have to set a

3264
02:19:30,209 --> 02:19:27,940
perfect copy but that gets in the

3265
02:19:33,570 --> 02:19:30,219
question of how perfect a copy needs to

3266
02:19:35,070 --> 02:19:33,580
be to be the original person - and so if

3267
02:19:37,650 --> 02:19:35,080
you're trying to send all those last

3268
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,660
data states and you know you might not

3269
02:19:40,410 --> 02:19:39,040
have a choice you might have to send the

3270
02:19:42,390 --> 02:19:40,420
entire you know when I take a photograph

3271
02:19:45,450 --> 02:19:42,400
of someone I don't get the photo shop

3272
02:19:46,740 --> 02:19:45,460
that photo I'm taking the exact data if

3273
02:19:48,450 --> 02:19:46,750
that's the way you capture that

3274
02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:48,460
information then you have to transmit it

3275
02:19:52,261 --> 02:19:50,950
that way - and that would require a ton

3276
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:52,271
of bandwidth and we talk about something

3277
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:54,130
a quantum entanglement as way of sending

3278
02:19:59,341 --> 02:19:55,450
teleportation you know teleporting

3279
02:20:02,730 --> 02:19:59,351
people that is entangling every last

3280
02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:02,740
single atom in their body will get like

3281
02:20:06,390 --> 02:20:04,690
a thousand I think as I'll call record

3282
02:20:08,011 --> 02:20:06,400
for entangling atoms at the same time

3283
02:20:09,570 --> 02:20:08,021
and that's another very controlled

3284
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:09,580
circumstance right

3285
02:20:14,040 --> 02:20:11,110
I don't even know how you go about doing

3286
02:20:17,220 --> 02:20:14,050
that but if you could that's you know

3287
02:20:18,540 --> 02:20:17,230
again that's a massive massive thing and

3288
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:18,550
then the kind of computing power need to

3289
02:20:23,551 --> 02:20:19,510
do something like that

3290
02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:23,561
is just obscene yes it's obscene and

3291
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:25,960
then on the back end of that it's the

3292
02:20:30,301 --> 02:20:27,850
amount of time that it would take to do

3293
02:20:32,970 --> 02:20:30,311
the transfer you might as well just fly

3294
02:20:35,430 --> 02:20:32,980
there and and take a couple hundred

3295
02:20:37,500 --> 02:20:35,440
years and at least you know that every

3296
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:37,510
atom in your body would arrive in the

3297
02:20:41,070 --> 02:20:39,730
way that it to part it because that's

3298
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:41,080
the other thing you don't know if it's

3299
02:20:47,310 --> 02:20:43,690
gonna reconstruct now that the other

3300
02:20:50,190 --> 02:20:47,320
part of this is your consciousness you

3301
02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:50,200
know would that also be part of the

3302
02:20:54,780 --> 02:20:52,690
teleportation I understand your memories

3303
02:20:57,870 --> 02:20:54,790
could be but what about the stuff that

3304
02:20:59,310 --> 02:20:57,880
makes Isaac Isaac how does that's the

3305
02:21:03,030 --> 02:20:59,320
million-dollar question is though

3306
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,040
because we don't know I I tend to

3307
02:21:07,380 --> 02:21:05,200
subscribe to the John Locke approach on

3308
02:21:09,301 --> 02:21:07,390
continuity of identity and consciousness

3309
02:21:10,890 --> 02:21:09,311
not cuz it's particularly provable it's

3310
02:21:12,030 --> 02:21:10,900
none of these things have any more

3311
02:21:13,290 --> 02:21:12,040
evidence to point under knee of the

3312
02:21:16,261 --> 02:21:13,300
others but because it's the one that

3313
02:21:18,450 --> 02:21:16,271
seems to make the most sense to me or at

3314
02:21:21,930 --> 02:21:18,460
least is the most comfortable to settle

3315
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:21,940
on and the notion there is is so long as

3316
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:25,570
I'm continuing my my existence more or

3317
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:27,370
less same with any really abrupt changes

3318
02:21:32,730 --> 02:21:30,970
then my identity is persistent too but

3319
02:21:34,290 --> 02:21:32,740
that becomes a real issue if I let's say

3320
02:21:36,180 --> 02:21:34,300
I make a copy of myself on another

3321
02:21:38,670 --> 02:21:36,190
planet what about the copy that's back

3322
02:21:41,070 --> 02:21:38,680
the back here what about the copy they

3323
02:21:43,410 --> 02:21:41,080
brought online that was not quite right

3324
02:21:45,450 --> 02:21:43,420
so they stored it and another one's used

3325
02:21:46,470 --> 02:21:45,460
and then they wake up the damaged one

3326
02:21:48,360 --> 02:21:46,480
because they've gotta how to repair it

3327
02:21:50,820 --> 02:21:48,370
now there's two of me there which one's

3328
02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:50,830
me well apparently they're both me but

3329
02:21:52,980 --> 02:21:52,390
they're not really the same as each

3330
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:52,990
other anymore

3331
02:21:59,810 --> 02:21:57,010
and I've never heard a explanation for

3332
02:22:02,280 --> 02:21:59,820
how to cope with that that was entirely

3333
02:22:04,170 --> 02:22:02,290
solid across the board and met all the

3334
02:22:06,570 --> 02:22:04,180
the goals we'd have for just being

3335
02:22:08,220 --> 02:22:06,580
somewhere else and I don't think you're

3336
02:22:11,130 --> 02:22:08,230
gonna get one either because it's it's

3337
02:22:12,930 --> 02:22:11,140
it's it's a little bit too subjective

3338
02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:12,940
and some things are abstract and things

3339
02:22:17,580 --> 02:22:14,860
like consciousness and identity are very

3340
02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:17,590
abstract concepts and I I do not think

3341
02:22:22,540 --> 02:22:19,030
that we're going to get a satisfactory

3342
02:22:25,059 --> 02:22:22,550
answer to those do you do you can

3343
02:22:28,090 --> 02:22:25,069
suicide right you know what I mean you

3344
02:22:31,960 --> 02:22:28,100
hit hit and go you hit go and then you

3345
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,970
hit the there's the stall tract alright

3346
02:22:37,210 --> 02:22:33,920
you know if you're reassembling me down

3347
02:22:40,059 --> 02:22:37,220
there and just send me up here did you

3348
02:22:41,260 --> 02:22:40,069
just kill me of course you've got the

3349
02:22:43,450 --> 02:22:41,270
examples where I think they'd lead to

3350
02:22:44,940 --> 02:22:43,460
cover that and I came the episode it was

3351
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,950
one with the two right course not

3352
02:22:48,670 --> 02:22:47,120
there's a copy room left alone on a

3353
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:48,680
planet that was the extra that bounced

3354
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:51,439
back which one of those is the vo one

3355
02:22:57,160 --> 02:22:55,130
right well you know and there is no

3356
02:22:59,500 --> 02:22:57,170
clear answer on something like that that

3357
02:23:03,429 --> 02:22:59,510
that I always I have not got an answer

3358
02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:03,439
that would be 100% solid now and there's

3359
02:23:09,660 --> 02:23:06,890
uh if if teleportation isn't the answer

3360
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:09,670
an entanglement isn't the answer

3361
02:23:17,020 --> 02:23:13,430
science today and for me I think is is

3362
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:17,030
is when it gets to quantum computing and

3363
02:23:24,040 --> 02:23:20,720
qubits is now strongly suggesting Isaac

3364
02:23:26,050 --> 02:23:24,050
that parallel worlds are real right and

3365
02:23:30,250 --> 02:23:26,060
for a quantum entanglement for a qubit

3366
02:23:32,320 --> 02:23:30,260
to operate correctly and the concepts of

3367
02:23:35,679 --> 02:23:32,330
quantum computing well then we have to

3368
02:23:37,990 --> 02:23:35,689
accept a parallel world a pair an

3369
02:23:38,620 --> 02:23:38,000
infinite situation to our right and to

3370
02:23:41,500 --> 02:23:38,630
our left

3371
02:23:42,940 --> 02:23:41,510
not necessarily we've got what we have

3372
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:42,950
quite a few quantum theories but the two

3373
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:44,840
people most familiar with our Copenhagen

3374
02:23:51,700 --> 02:23:49,760
and Mini Ward's mini wards has a lot of

3375
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:51,710
following it's it's the the other big

3376
02:23:55,420 --> 02:23:53,359
one but Copenhagen tends to be the

3377
02:23:58,360 --> 02:23:55,430
slightly more popular if there's loose

3378
02:24:00,400 --> 02:23:58,370
last I checked not a lot they both allow

3379
02:24:02,650 --> 02:24:00,410
quantum computing as the peers take

3380
02:24:04,750 --> 02:24:02,660
place there is not a single shred of

3381
02:24:06,580 --> 02:24:04,760
evidence of any sort to back up

3382
02:24:08,620 --> 02:24:06,590
Copenhagen MIDI boards or any of the

3383
02:24:10,900 --> 02:24:08,630
other quantum interpretations we don't

3384
02:24:12,400 --> 02:24:10,910
know right if those exist you know

3385
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,410
that's a pretty big deal and I think a

3386
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:14,000
lot of folks like mini Wars cuz it gets

3387
02:24:16,990 --> 02:24:15,530
man the anthropic principle and

3388
02:24:20,020 --> 02:24:17,000
fine-tuning issues for the universe

3389
02:24:22,059 --> 02:24:20,030
those are big problem in Copenhagen I

3390
02:24:23,530 --> 02:24:22,069
know I tend to subscribe to Copenhagen

3391
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:23,540
myself though I think I think many

3392
02:24:28,510 --> 02:24:26,170
awards would be more fun if it was true

3393
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:28,520
if you have those that's not asking a

3394
02:24:32,349 --> 02:24:30,560
question do I bother the travel to

3395
02:24:35,671 --> 02:24:32,359
another solar system when I can just

3396
02:24:38,251 --> 02:24:35,681
step off onto a copy of or thwe or human

3397
02:24:40,291 --> 02:24:38,261
got wiped out 70,000 years ago by I can

3398
02:24:41,430 --> 02:24:40,301
only that asteroid the one that they

3399
02:24:43,411 --> 02:24:41,440
think killed off a lot of of

3400
02:24:44,041 --> 02:24:43,421
civilization at the time the or people

3401
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:44,051
that sound think those really

3402
02:24:48,211 --> 02:24:46,690
civilization yet you go to that copy of

3403
02:24:50,940 --> 02:24:48,221
that plan because it's identical to all

3404
02:24:53,611 --> 02:24:50,950
as except it's uninhabited that's the

3405
02:24:56,551 --> 02:24:53,621
perfect place to set up a colony I mean

3406
02:24:58,470 --> 02:24:56,561
well I go tale form Rigel or Vega I

3407
02:25:00,390 --> 02:24:58,480
guess actually plant Vigo now I know

3408
02:25:02,281 --> 02:25:00,400
with that recently yes why how in eyes

3409
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:02,291
those places when you can just step out

3410
02:25:06,211 --> 02:25:04,240
onto an empty copy of your own planet

3411
02:25:09,301 --> 02:25:06,221
that's different because and there'll be

3412
02:25:11,821 --> 02:25:09,311
so many versions every last minor

3413
02:25:13,890 --> 02:25:11,831
variation even one atom being one not

3414
02:25:16,621 --> 02:25:13,900
place off in a single rock is its own

3415
02:25:18,571 --> 02:25:16,631
multi course and so you have a virtually

3416
02:25:20,220 --> 02:25:18,581
unlimited number of these detect me is

3417
02:25:21,810 --> 02:25:20,230
still a finite number but it's well as

3418
02:25:24,451 --> 02:25:21,820
once we a shout of them exponent on the

3419
02:25:26,821 --> 02:25:24,461
exponent you know this new infinite

3420
02:25:29,071 --> 02:25:26,831
number of these things why why would you

3421
02:25:31,980 --> 02:25:29,081
ever colonize another solar system in a

3422
02:25:35,041 --> 02:25:31,990
case like that except to maybe your own

3423
02:25:38,661 --> 02:25:35,051
son starting to burn out you know are

3424
02:25:41,850 --> 02:25:38,671
you okay with that though because if if

3425
02:25:44,461 --> 02:25:41,860
quantum mechanics quantum theory if and

3426
02:25:47,581 --> 02:25:44,471
in quantum computers and and in Cuba if

3427
02:25:50,761 --> 02:25:47,591
they continues down its path Isaac you

3428
02:25:52,591 --> 02:25:50,771
are going to have to accept either the

3429
02:25:54,180 --> 02:25:52,601
many-worlds or Co but you you're gonna

3430
02:25:57,810 --> 02:25:54,190
have to go one way or the other or maybe

3431
02:26:00,511 --> 02:25:57,820
even another another reality that we

3432
02:26:02,730 --> 02:26:00,521
haven't theorized yet but are you okay

3433
02:26:05,100 --> 02:26:02,740
with that does your head explode or you

3434
02:26:06,661 --> 02:26:05,110
okay my head explodes whenever I deal

3435
02:26:08,251 --> 02:26:06,671
with mini Ward's or the size that

3436
02:26:10,020 --> 02:26:08,261
universe you know people talk about the

3437
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:10,030
sheer scale of that and you're trying to

3438
02:26:14,161 --> 02:26:11,650
come to understand astronomical times

3439
02:26:15,571 --> 02:26:14,171
you can stay this stuff for years you

3440
02:26:17,761 --> 02:26:15,581
can learn all the math and your brain

3441
02:26:20,161 --> 02:26:17,771
still never really wraps around the

3442
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:20,171
scale involved as to whether or not I'm

3443
02:26:23,671 --> 02:26:21,490
even another Theory comes up what gets

3444
02:26:25,291 --> 02:26:23,681
proven I think I'd be found that but you

3445
02:26:28,861 --> 02:26:25,301
know no until a time I'd like to think I

3446
02:26:30,841 --> 02:26:28,871
would be that's that's the core of

3447
02:26:32,671 --> 02:26:30,851
science is adapting when the knowledge

3448
02:26:34,770 --> 02:26:32,681
changes figuring out what it means and

3449
02:26:36,241 --> 02:26:34,780
and you follow the truth it doesn't

3450
02:26:37,621 --> 02:26:36,251
matter I mean it doesn't matter if you

3451
02:26:40,501 --> 02:26:37,631
accept it or not either the truth it's

3452
02:26:41,761 --> 02:26:40,511
the truth um but you know personally I'd

3453
02:26:43,201 --> 02:26:41,771
like to think that I would I mean it'd

3454
02:26:45,541 --> 02:26:43,211
be a little disappointing myself I

3455
02:26:47,011 --> 02:26:45,551
didn't but you know Spearville blind was

3456
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:47,021
all about something there's this the

3457
02:26:51,349 --> 02:26:48,399
human nature so

3458
02:26:54,899 --> 02:26:51,359
what I have been enjoying lately is

3459
02:26:56,849 --> 02:26:54,909
listening to the physicists the

3460
02:26:58,800 --> 02:26:56,859
celebrity physicists who as well I

3461
02:27:01,800 --> 02:26:58,810
listen to all of their presentations I

3462
02:27:04,349 --> 02:27:01,810
study it how they are getting farther

3463
02:27:07,170 --> 02:27:04,359
farther apart from each other where they

3464
02:27:09,719 --> 02:27:07,180
thought that they had a grip on things

3465
02:27:11,849 --> 02:27:09,729
you know certainly 50 years ago but it

3466
02:27:13,710 --> 02:27:11,859
is unraveling now because the data is

3467
02:27:16,349 --> 02:27:13,720
coming in faster than anybody

3468
02:27:18,559 --> 02:27:16,359
and now anybody's Theory gets thrown on

3469
02:27:19,710 --> 02:27:18,569
the table and it's as valid as the next

3470
02:27:22,620 --> 02:27:19,720
um

3471
02:27:23,909 --> 02:27:22,630
I to a degree some of the I mean most of

3472
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:23,919
the folks that people recognize the

3473
02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:26,319
names of this that physicists like I

3474
02:27:30,420 --> 02:27:28,720
don't do any active resource yeah I

3475
02:27:32,279 --> 02:27:30,430
don't know how much Tyson does and I

3476
02:27:33,090 --> 02:27:32,289
obviously doesn't do any at least I'm

3477
02:27:35,460 --> 02:27:33,100
not that I'm aware of

3478
02:27:37,319 --> 02:27:35,470
miss you okay coo I think still does but

3479
02:27:39,449 --> 02:27:37,329
you know the the the Tony new mine

3480
02:27:41,130 --> 02:27:39,459
saying most these theories are usually

3481
02:27:43,519 --> 02:27:41,140
folks people people never heard of and

3482
02:27:45,929 --> 02:27:43,529
you have to keep up with that um and

3483
02:27:47,609 --> 02:27:45,939
sometimes those get debunked sometimes

3484
02:27:49,469 --> 02:27:47,619
they get proven a lot of times they sit

3485
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:49,479
for a decade Oh to you know they might

3486
02:27:52,139 --> 02:27:50,770
get a really big news article talking

3487
02:27:53,790 --> 02:27:52,149
about them and they just kind of lingo

3488
02:27:56,250 --> 02:27:53,800
of knocking proven or disproven for a

3489
02:27:58,679 --> 02:27:56,260
long time mm-hmm it takes a long time a

3490
02:28:00,210 --> 02:27:58,689
lot and we've done so well advancing the

3491
02:28:03,689 --> 02:28:00,220
field of physics in the last century

3492
02:28:06,149 --> 02:28:03,699
that wax don't slow down now because any

3493
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:06,159
new step we need to take requires these

3494
02:28:11,189 --> 02:28:09,130
huge projects that that that even if you

3495
02:28:14,189 --> 02:28:11,199
could just give an infinite blank check

3496
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,199
to still take 10 or 20 years to produce

3497
02:28:18,540 --> 02:28:16,479
the experiment that's going to find out

3498
02:28:19,979 --> 02:28:18,550
say something like fusion the biggest

3499
02:28:22,380 --> 02:28:19,989
hoard upon that is it takes us so long

3500
02:28:26,219 --> 02:28:22,390
just to build the thing and it's how to

3501
02:28:28,019 --> 02:28:26,229
rush that process yeah I know and you're

3502
02:28:30,059 --> 02:28:28,029
absolutely I've thought so much about

3503
02:28:31,170 --> 02:28:30,069
I've got to take a break here in 15

3504
02:28:34,260 --> 02:28:31,180
seconds but when you have guys like

3505
02:28:35,639 --> 02:28:34,270
Lawrence Krauss or Brian Greene and you

3506
02:28:38,670 --> 02:28:35,649
know that that are doing this research

3507
02:28:40,590 --> 02:28:38,680
and putting these ideas out there if

3508
02:28:43,469 --> 02:28:40,600
anything comes to fruition it's gonna

3509
02:28:45,809 --> 02:28:43,479
take 2025 years but they don't have

3510
02:28:47,639 --> 02:28:45,819
another project to move on to after that

3511
02:28:50,969 --> 02:28:47,649
you know what I mean it takes so much

3512
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:50,979
time to do the one version of something

3513
02:28:55,529 --> 02:28:53,680
oh yeah and I mean I think they'd agree

3514
02:28:58,019 --> 02:28:55,539
- it's it's not about the individual it

3515
02:28:59,699 --> 02:28:58,029
says progressive generational step we as

3516
02:29:01,409 --> 02:28:59,709
a community if you would specific

3517
02:29:02,070 --> 02:29:01,419
although although everybody in general

3518
02:29:04,020 --> 02:29:02,080
because everyone

3519
02:29:07,740 --> 02:29:04,030
commits these things even they're just

3520
02:29:09,300 --> 02:29:07,750
paying tax on it takes a long time and

3521
02:29:11,219 --> 02:29:09,310
you know people are talk about could we

3522
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:11,229
do these projects that would take us you

3523
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:12,880
know thousands of years to do say well

3524
02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:14,770
we have we have done this we built

3525
02:29:18,179 --> 02:29:16,750
cathedrals that took centuries we've

3526
02:29:20,190 --> 02:29:18,189
committed to so many projects that are

3527
02:29:22,889 --> 02:29:20,200
multi-generational and this is just one

3528
02:29:25,170 --> 02:29:22,899
example it takes time but we got lots of

3529
02:29:26,429 --> 02:29:25,180
time now we're gonna take a break right

3530
02:29:28,620 --> 02:29:26,439
here I'm gonna hold you over for a

3531
02:29:30,900 --> 02:29:28,630
little over time I want to discuss two

3532
02:29:34,889 --> 02:29:30,910
things that we didn't get to tonight

3533
02:29:37,160 --> 02:29:34,899
one is dark energy I want to go there

3534
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:37,170
and I want to close out the show with a

3535
02:29:42,210 --> 02:29:39,760
discussion on disclosure and what is

3536
02:29:44,460 --> 02:29:42,220
going on now and the possibility of what

3537
02:29:47,580 --> 02:29:44,470
our government may or may not know when

3538
02:29:49,620 --> 02:29:47,590
it comes to alien and ET contact you

3539
02:29:52,290 --> 02:29:49,630
want to stand by right there I'll be

3540
02:29:54,210 --> 02:29:52,300
glad to our guest is Isaac Arthur been

3541
02:29:55,469 --> 02:29:54,220
waiting for this stay right there we'll

3542
02:29:57,599 --> 02:29:55,479
be right back after this short break

3543
02:30:00,180 --> 02:29:57,609
gonna do a little over time this is fade

3544
02:30:24,679 --> 02:30:00,190
to black stay with us

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3629
02:34:51,261 --> 02:34:49,671
welcome back fade to black I'm Neil

3630
02:34:54,230 --> 02:34:51,271
Shiva Church - and live overtime tonight

3631
02:34:55,970 --> 02:34:54,240
with our guest Isaac Arthur want to

3632
02:34:56,560 --> 02:34:55,980
remind everybody what's going on this

3633
02:34:59,330 --> 02:34:56,570
week

3634
02:35:02,091 --> 02:34:59,340
tomorrow night Carolyn Ford is good to

3635
02:35:04,160 --> 02:35:02,101
be here and of course that is Hine Stein

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02:35:04,881 --> 02:35:04,170
in the ancient crystal skull of

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02:35:07,131 --> 02:35:04,891
consciousness

3638
02:35:08,570 --> 02:35:07,141
Wednesday night David Wilcock is going

3639
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:08,580
to be here Thursday night Fator night

3640
02:35:12,740 --> 02:35:11,040
Torrisi and eros of course divine

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frequency on the airwaves followed by

3642
02:35:17,930 --> 02:35:15,721
open lines all night long our guests of

3643
02:35:19,341 --> 02:35:17,940
course is Isaac Arthur and Isaac right

3644
02:35:23,150 --> 02:35:19,351
before the break where I was talking you

3645
02:35:25,301 --> 02:35:23,160
know discussing with you the the new

3646
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:25,311
realities that are that a hitting

3647
02:35:30,051 --> 02:35:27,450
astrophysicists and physicists and

3648
02:35:34,251 --> 02:35:30,061
cosmologists around the world is dark

3649
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:34,261
energy and this is this is totally new

3650
02:35:41,720 --> 02:35:37,920
this is when I say totally new

3651
02:35:42,860 --> 02:35:41,730
relatively new over the last they offer

3652
02:35:44,450 --> 02:35:42,870
colloquial when they are force

3653
02:35:45,860 --> 02:35:44,460
presenting this notion as an undergrad

3654
02:35:48,921 --> 02:35:45,870
that scientist eyes mostly they have the

3655
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:48,931
[\h__\h] coffee and cookies but they just

3656
02:35:52,370 --> 02:35:50,450
started noticing with the supernova

3657
02:35:54,470 --> 02:35:52,380
Charles Taylor building out the day of

3658
02:35:55,881 --> 02:35:54,480
that that the expansion rates for the

3659
02:35:57,080 --> 02:35:55,891
universe weren't quite matching out to

3660
02:35:59,810 --> 02:35:57,090
what we thought they were going to be

3661
02:36:01,220 --> 02:35:59,820
and that time the you know the emulsion

3662
02:36:03,140 --> 02:36:01,230
of the Oh balls was so big that we

3663
02:36:05,091 --> 02:36:03,150
couldn't actually tell it was expanding

3664
02:36:06,410 --> 02:36:05,101
attracting or whatever right but as we

3665
02:36:08,330 --> 02:36:06,420
would find that down we started seeing

3666
02:36:10,370 --> 02:36:08,340
that it's accelerating its expansion

3667
02:36:13,251 --> 02:36:10,380
right and that is a weird one because it

3668
02:36:16,310 --> 02:36:13,261
kind of arguably breaks conservation of

3669
02:36:18,501 --> 02:36:16,320
energy depending how once used to look

3670
02:36:20,660 --> 02:36:18,511
at that that's really much more complex

3671
02:36:22,251 --> 02:36:20,670
but we already kind of suspect that in

3672
02:36:25,070 --> 02:36:22,261
the first place because space takes

3673
02:36:26,690 --> 02:36:25,080
energy to make and all the way back in

3674
02:36:28,341 --> 02:36:26,700
nineteen stay we were starting to wonder

3675
02:36:31,671 --> 02:36:28,351
about whether or not she was really

3676
02:36:34,220 --> 02:36:31,681
concerned in that context and it's

3677
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:34,230
really shaping you know the future of

3678
02:36:38,480 --> 02:36:35,280
what the universe is going to look like

3679
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:38,490
down the road we don't know how fast

3680
02:36:42,470 --> 02:36:40,380
accelerating yet or if it's gonna speed

3681
02:36:43,461 --> 02:36:42,480
up and so we don't even know what the

3682
02:36:45,230 --> 02:36:43,471
end of the universe is going to look

3683
02:36:47,001 --> 02:36:45,240
like by now cuz it could be a big rip

3684
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,011
scenario where think it's shredder poet

3685
02:36:51,501 --> 02:36:48,960
in 100 million years or 20 billion years

3686
02:36:53,690 --> 02:36:51,511
or it could be the more classic heat Tet

3687
02:36:58,220 --> 02:36:53,700
that we've tended to settle on in more

3688
02:36:59,570 --> 02:36:58,230
recent times and with the the awesome

3689
02:37:00,769 --> 02:36:59,580
thing about right now is that we will

3690
02:37:02,179 --> 02:37:00,779
probably get to see most

3691
02:37:03,460 --> 02:37:02,189
cool you knowledge that comes from this

3692
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:03,470
over the next twenty or thirty years

3693
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:05,369
although this is one of those problems

3694
02:37:07,369 --> 02:37:06,810
it might be you know where it's coming

3695
02:37:09,469 --> 02:37:07,379
from

3696
02:37:12,199 --> 02:37:09,479
could be going on for centuries to come

3697
02:37:16,130 --> 02:37:12,209
and you know when when we talk about

3698
02:37:17,899 --> 02:37:16,140
gravity there are so many different

3699
02:37:20,239 --> 02:37:17,909
things going on there's the gravity of

3700
02:37:22,729 --> 02:37:20,249
of ourselves and what's holding you know

3701
02:37:24,019 --> 02:37:22,739
us together there's that and expanding

3702
02:37:26,539 --> 02:37:24,029
out from that of course you know the

3703
02:37:28,250 --> 02:37:26,549
solar system in Earth and and you know

3704
02:37:30,409 --> 02:37:28,260
what's holding us together you go out a

3705
02:37:32,689 --> 02:37:30,419
step beyond that and and and the

3706
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:32,699
galaxies and and how that's spiraling

3707
02:37:36,829 --> 02:37:35,010
and how gravity is holding that together

3708
02:37:39,409 --> 02:37:36,839
where we're not spinning off into

3709
02:37:42,109 --> 02:37:39,419
everything and then that but the

3710
02:37:45,529 --> 02:37:42,119
opposite it seems to be happening with

3711
02:37:47,479 --> 02:37:45,539
dark energy which is forcing things in

3712
02:37:49,809 --> 02:37:47,489
the opposite direction and not pulling

3713
02:37:52,939 --> 02:37:49,819
it together and then the original

3714
02:37:55,819 --> 02:37:52,949
concept that I think everybody accepted

3715
02:37:58,159 --> 02:37:55,829
for so long was that gravity the

3716
02:37:59,539 --> 02:37:58,169
universe would expand until gravity

3717
02:38:02,329 --> 02:37:59,549
would overtake it then pull it back

3718
02:38:04,519 --> 02:38:02,339
together and we would have another big

3719
02:38:07,340 --> 02:38:04,529
bang you would be like rinse repeat

3720
02:38:11,050 --> 02:38:07,350
you know lather and cyclic bags right

3721
02:38:13,369 --> 02:38:11,060
cyclic waiting so and and now I think

3722
02:38:16,340 --> 02:38:13,379
we're starting to take a harsh look at

3723
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:16,350
this that we just maybe on a one-way

3724
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:19,770
trip here right that it just may expand

3725
02:38:26,569 --> 02:38:23,359
out and eventually if we're still around

3726
02:38:30,349 --> 02:38:26,579
we will be completely by ourself that

3727
02:38:32,449 --> 02:38:30,359
the cosmos will be black there is a

3728
02:38:34,069 --> 02:38:32,459
second part I think I mean that's one

3729
02:38:36,170 --> 02:38:34,079
that's noise could happen just the local

3730
02:38:37,939 --> 02:38:36,180
galaxies by us all moach together as

3731
02:38:40,369 --> 02:38:37,949
they're already doing all galaxies a

3732
02:38:42,050 --> 02:38:40,379
cannibal and so as an drama and there's

3733
02:38:43,639 --> 02:38:42,060
talk about Andromeda and the Milky Way

3734
02:38:45,319 --> 02:38:43,649
colliding but we're actually probably in

3735
02:38:47,239 --> 02:38:45,329
a colliding with the Whirlpool yl ones

3736
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:47,249
forced right those well more together

3737
02:38:50,779 --> 02:38:48,810
and everybody else will expand out

3738
02:38:52,130 --> 02:38:50,789
whatever see them 150 billion years from

3739
02:38:55,010 --> 02:38:52,140
now you wouldn't be able to see those

3740
02:38:56,119 --> 02:38:55,020
galaxies it says the most trace redshift

3741
02:39:00,349 --> 02:38:56,129
to things disappear know the

3742
02:39:02,960 --> 02:39:00,359
cosmological event horizon but in some

3743
02:39:05,090 --> 02:39:02,970
big rips noise for instance and if the

3744
02:39:07,039 --> 02:39:05,100
this pushing force of dark out she keeps

3745
02:39:08,719 --> 02:39:07,049
growing you could get to the point where

3746
02:39:10,969 --> 02:39:08,729
was actually ripping apart quarks

3747
02:39:13,369 --> 02:39:10,979
themselves and you actually can't really

3748
02:39:14,310 --> 02:39:13,379
rip quarks or parks when you do you make

3749
02:39:16,830 --> 02:39:14,320
more quark

3750
02:39:18,210 --> 02:39:16,840
so there are some scenarios for like the

3751
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:18,220
big rip for instance where this just

3752
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:20,170
kept growing until you had a new Big

3753
02:39:25,020 --> 02:39:23,010
Bang going on everywhere all at once and

3754
02:39:26,580 --> 02:39:25,030
when I actually showed that's not how

3755
02:39:27,810 --> 02:39:26,590
that happened in the first place you

3756
02:39:30,090 --> 02:39:27,820
said we talked about the size that

3757
02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:30,100
universe being really tiny but we only

3758
02:39:33,630 --> 02:39:32,170
mean the chunk we can see it could have

3759
02:39:35,429 --> 02:39:33,640
expanded everywhere and already been

3760
02:39:37,890 --> 02:39:35,439
infant in size in the first place right

3761
02:39:39,570 --> 02:39:37,900
um you know more infinity of Infinity

3762
02:39:42,330 --> 02:39:39,580
what's infinity plus infinity or times

3763
02:39:43,980 --> 02:39:42,340
infinity it's still infinity and so that

3764
02:39:45,690 --> 02:39:43,990
is actually one possibility of course we

3765
02:39:48,510 --> 02:39:45,700
would not survive that if it's really in

3766
02:39:50,100 --> 02:39:48,520
quark support but you could have that as

3767
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:50,110
something that happens every hundred

3768
02:39:55,460 --> 02:39:51,610
billion years or so the universe truly

3769
02:39:57,929 --> 02:39:55,470
erupts as a whole new you know Big Bang

3770
02:39:59,850 --> 02:39:57,939
and why don't subscribe to myself one of

3771
02:40:01,350 --> 02:39:59,860
the more popular compendious for the Big

3772
02:40:03,320 --> 02:40:01,360
Bang for a long time not the

3773
02:40:05,820 --> 02:40:03,330
steady-state quasi steady state universe

3774
02:40:09,179 --> 02:40:05,830
where you had little micro Big Bang's

3775
02:40:10,350 --> 02:40:09,189
going off all the time or the idea was

3776
02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:10,360
that you'll have a little bit of

3777
02:40:13,560 --> 02:40:11,710
hydrogen appearing here and there at

3778
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:13,570
random everywhere all the time and

3779
02:40:17,310 --> 02:40:15,610
because oh you wouldn't have that and

3780
02:40:20,520 --> 02:40:17,320
then we say well we got dark energy

3781
02:40:22,200 --> 02:40:20,530
doing that now I mean this is new space

3782
02:40:23,969 --> 02:40:22,210
that's appearing out of nowhere and it's

3783
02:40:25,530 --> 02:40:23,979
doing in probably tiny amounts we have

3784
02:40:27,450 --> 02:40:25,540
actually better narrow that down yet but

3785
02:40:29,429 --> 02:40:27,460
you could easily have tiny tiny little

3786
02:40:32,040 --> 02:40:29,439
packets of new space poppy-up in you all

3787
02:40:33,450 --> 02:40:32,050
the time you ignore them because all the

3788
02:40:37,260 --> 02:40:33,460
electrical forces hold you by together

3789
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:37,270
but they'd still be going on yeah and so

3790
02:40:40,679 --> 02:40:39,040
you might have new little bits of space

3791
02:40:43,110 --> 02:40:40,689
pop up inside you and that's what caused

3792
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:43,120
the expansion just adds up over distance

3793
02:40:48,150 --> 02:40:46,479
and what in the the okay there's two

3794
02:40:50,580 --> 02:40:48,160
directions I want to go in really

3795
02:40:54,030 --> 02:40:50,590
quickly one our Big Bang just happened

3796
02:40:58,410 --> 02:40:54,040
to be perfect in that gravity was right

3797
02:41:00,780 --> 02:40:58,420
the forces were right and and our

3798
02:41:04,020 --> 02:41:00,790
universe just wants to create things

3799
02:41:06,840 --> 02:41:04,030
right life is just like every I mean we

3800
02:41:10,460 --> 02:41:06,850
just planets and star but if it was off

3801
02:41:14,219 --> 02:41:10,470
by just a little bit things don't join

3802
02:41:15,510 --> 02:41:14,229
it it's just probably not I mean that's

3803
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:15,520
the fine-tuning approaches that

3804
02:41:19,290 --> 02:41:17,410
everything is exactly perfect for us all

3805
02:41:19,770 --> 02:41:19,300
in a very tiny range compared to what it

3806
02:41:21,570 --> 02:41:19,780
could be

3807
02:41:23,460 --> 02:41:21,580
right well I have to say the model is

3808
02:41:24,900 --> 02:41:23,470
done for that I'll still if you're not

3809
02:41:26,700 --> 02:41:24,910
that you couldn't say that something

3810
02:41:27,300 --> 02:41:26,710
elsewhere in form with patterns like we

3811
02:41:29,969 --> 02:41:27,310
have now

3812
02:41:31,949 --> 02:41:29,979
and just might be very different but it

3813
02:41:32,969 --> 02:41:31,959
and that's just throwing out there that

3814
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:32,979
those models aren't really all that

3815
02:41:38,789 --> 02:41:35,770
precise yet it does look like the

3816
02:41:40,679 --> 02:41:38,799
universe were in is is just perfect and

3817
02:41:43,559 --> 02:41:40,689
so you get the anthropic principle says

3818
02:41:45,329 --> 02:41:43,569
is it a freak coincidence or is it just

3819
02:41:47,369 --> 02:41:45,339
that we are the only places that had

3820
02:41:48,899 --> 02:41:47,379
eating emerge to notice that we were

3821
02:41:50,609 --> 02:41:48,909
perfect all you other places no life

3822
02:41:54,840 --> 02:41:50,619
emerges to notice that they are evil

3823
02:41:57,929 --> 02:41:54,850
sucks for life but that's exactly right

3824
02:42:00,479 --> 02:41:57,939
in that there could be infinite

3825
02:42:03,210 --> 02:42:00,489
universes out there that are dead

3826
02:42:05,550 --> 02:42:03,220
I net it just don't have any action

3827
02:42:09,000 --> 02:42:05,560
going on there Big Bang was just off by

3828
02:42:09,510 --> 02:42:09,010
a little bit and it just it just wasn't

3829
02:42:11,670 --> 02:42:09,520
right

3830
02:42:13,559 --> 02:42:11,680
yep the physical constants were just a

3831
02:42:16,619 --> 02:42:13,569
little bit off of that or the time for

3832
02:42:18,059 --> 02:42:16,629
the inflation was not quite right or and

3833
02:42:21,300 --> 02:42:18,069
there's so many ways that could have

3834
02:42:22,859 --> 02:42:21,310
played out that we result in no life and

3835
02:42:24,510 --> 02:42:22,869
the only caveat on that is that we

3836
02:42:25,979 --> 02:42:24,520
probably don't want to rule out that's

3837
02:42:28,829 --> 02:42:25,989
quite a few more than we would tend to

3838
02:42:30,539 --> 02:42:28,839
expect might be life bearing but I

3839
02:42:31,979 --> 02:42:30,549
wouldn't expect most of them to be it

3840
02:42:34,289 --> 02:42:31,989
just might be more than we tend to think

3841
02:42:36,239 --> 02:42:34,299
and right now we think that I'd say well

3842
02:42:38,239 --> 02:42:36,249
those numbers that's so small that you

3843
02:42:41,250 --> 02:42:38,249
need you know exponents to express it

3844
02:42:43,849 --> 02:42:41,260
and that again that goes in the

3845
02:42:46,289 --> 02:42:43,859
fine-tuning anthropic principle approach

3846
02:42:48,029 --> 02:42:46,299
you have to careful these numbers for

3847
02:42:50,460 --> 02:42:48,039
sometimes we'll say oh the universe is

3848
02:42:52,649 --> 02:42:50,470
so huge we had to have X Y or Z earth

3849
02:42:55,500 --> 02:42:52,659
takes up only a very tiny portion of

3850
02:42:56,819 --> 02:42:55,510
value of space that's here'll here and

3851
02:42:58,649 --> 02:42:56,829
you want to get to the next system that

3852
02:43:00,510 --> 02:42:58,659
it has a stone it you have to encompass

3853
02:43:02,699 --> 02:43:00,520
a valium that's a quadrillion times

3854
02:43:04,380 --> 02:43:02,709
larger than the sphere you'd make around

3855
02:43:06,750 --> 02:43:04,390
the earth the Sun at the Earth's

3856
02:43:08,670 --> 02:43:06,760
distance right and that's empty

3857
02:43:09,869 --> 02:43:08,680
that's pretty empty anyway and we don't

3858
02:43:11,939 --> 02:43:09,879
really think about anything being there

3859
02:43:14,939 --> 02:43:11,949
but earth is already a one Aitkin

3860
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:14,949
chilean thing just by our solar system

3861
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,600
existing by being so huge we don't know

3862
02:43:23,460 --> 02:43:21,279
what the math numbers on these really

3863
02:43:25,800 --> 02:43:23,470
suggest you well yet and we're going to

3864
02:43:27,329 --> 02:43:25,810
find out more but and as we're saying

3865
02:43:30,689 --> 02:43:27,339
you have to be patient with science it

3866
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:30,699
takes a long time so it's fun though

3867
02:43:36,040 --> 02:43:33,850
and when we take that concept because

3868
02:43:44,500 --> 02:43:36,050
the odds of

3869
02:43:46,179 --> 02:43:44,510
you talk to a different scientists out

3870
02:43:48,760 --> 02:43:46,189
there and I'm knocking to name names but

3871
02:43:51,490 --> 02:43:48,770
we'll say well look it was just you know

3872
02:43:54,730 --> 02:43:51,500
lightning hit some amino acids on a

3873
02:43:58,059 --> 02:43:54,740
crystalline in a creek bed boom we had

3874
02:44:00,360 --> 02:43:58,069
DNA you know well we have no idea how

3875
02:44:03,370 --> 02:44:00,370
that happened really we know two things

3876
02:44:05,139 --> 02:44:03,380
reasonably well by inference that it

3877
02:44:06,550 --> 02:44:05,149
would have taken a decent chemical make

3878
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:06,560
sure and that you need to have some kind

3879
02:44:10,809 --> 02:44:08,479
of energy input for them to live on and

3880
02:44:13,540 --> 02:44:10,819
so and then people sometimes think we

3881
02:44:15,370 --> 02:44:13,550
know more about this than we do we all

3882
02:44:17,290 --> 02:44:15,380
we do is we look at what circumstances

3883
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:17,300
on earth might have had those and say

3884
02:44:20,469 --> 02:44:18,560
well that's a place it could have

3885
02:44:21,730 --> 02:44:20,479
happened we don't know yet we've no idea

3886
02:44:23,530 --> 02:44:21,740
it could have been thermal vents it

3887
02:44:25,330 --> 02:44:23,540
could have been tidal pools it could

3888
02:44:26,710 --> 02:44:25,340
have been panspermia comets coming down

3889
02:44:29,559 --> 02:44:26,720
with the earth cord that had some

3890
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:29,569
microbes in them all we can say with

3891
02:44:33,700 --> 02:44:31,370
reasonable certainty is you need to have

3892
02:44:35,290 --> 02:44:33,710
a good chemical mixture and some sort of

3893
02:44:37,330 --> 02:44:35,300
energy input and you need the raw

3894
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:37,340
materials in the fuel and a lot of time

3895
02:44:44,349 --> 02:44:40,130
yeah a lot of time a lot of time now

3896
02:44:47,110 --> 02:44:44,359
then there's what I'm gonna push you a

3897
02:44:49,599 --> 02:44:47,120
little bit the odds and you always

3898
02:44:51,790 --> 02:44:49,609
present these numbers really well you

3899
02:44:54,460 --> 02:44:51,800
know how many zeroes that we're gonna

3900
02:44:56,230 --> 02:44:54,470
put on the odds of DNA being created I

3901
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:56,240
don't know but it would probably go from

3902
02:45:02,440 --> 02:44:58,880
here to Mars that's a big number if you

3903
02:45:05,070 --> 02:45:02,450
are going with luck right okay which is

3904
02:45:07,300 --> 02:45:05,080
what we're talking about your chance or

3905
02:45:09,490 --> 02:45:07,310
could there be and I'm not talking about

3906
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:09,500
God or religion but could there have

3907
02:45:16,510 --> 02:45:13,040
been a divine type of interference here

3908
02:45:19,690 --> 02:45:16,520
from maybe panspermia or an ET

3909
02:45:23,559 --> 02:45:19,700
connection where we were placed here

3910
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:23,569
that it wasn't odds and it wasn't luck

3911
02:45:31,210 --> 02:45:26,930
and it was in nature that possibly yeah

3912
02:45:33,070 --> 02:45:31,220
I mean yeah I I think the key thing and

3913
02:45:34,510 --> 02:45:33,080
sometimes folks missed this with the

3914
02:45:36,610 --> 02:45:34,520
science when you're doing it you all

3915
02:45:39,550 --> 02:45:36,620
obliged to stick to a certain specific

3916
02:45:40,750 --> 02:45:39,560
window for evidence and you don't stray

3917
02:45:41,980 --> 02:45:40,760
outside that the moment you start

3918
02:45:43,599 --> 02:45:41,990
straying outside of that you're no

3919
02:45:44,920 --> 02:45:43,609
longer doing science doesn't mean you're

3920
02:45:47,410 --> 02:45:44,930
doing illegitimate thought but you're

3921
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:47,420
not doing the signs anymore and I always

3922
02:45:49,870 --> 02:45:48,770
try to stick to that because I don't

3923
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:49,880
like when scientists

3924
02:45:55,780 --> 02:45:52,479
talking outside their fields too much

3925
02:45:57,370 --> 02:45:55,790
but simulation hypothesis a great

3926
02:45:59,410 --> 02:45:57,380
example of that we say what if we all

3927
02:46:01,359 --> 02:45:59,420
live inside a civilization and I saw you

3928
02:46:03,130 --> 02:46:01,369
inside a simulation mm-hmm and say well

3929
02:46:04,990 --> 02:46:03,140
that's very obviously example of

3930
02:46:06,580 --> 02:46:05,000
intelligent design caught what you want

3931
02:46:08,380 --> 02:46:06,590
for something like that whether it's a

3932
02:46:09,790 --> 02:46:08,390
programmer named Bob or whether it's God

3933
02:46:11,710 --> 02:46:09,800
or the great sandwich people you don't

3934
02:46:13,870 --> 02:46:11,720
know mm-hmm but that is something that's

3935
02:46:15,969 --> 02:46:13,880
very plausible to do we probably can

3936
02:46:18,460 --> 02:46:15,979
simulate and you know an artificial

3937
02:46:20,170 --> 02:46:18,470
universe of some scope with artificial

3938
02:46:22,349 --> 02:46:20,180
intelligence inside it that would think

3939
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:22,359
that that was the real universe and

3940
02:46:27,700 --> 02:46:25,760
we're close to doing that now we're also

3941
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:27,710
doing that now with gaming I mean it's

3942
02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:30,560
getting really good and and a big key

3943
02:46:34,870 --> 02:46:32,090
thing on this is that those universes

3944
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:34,880
don't actually have to be real like in

3945
02:46:37,809 --> 02:46:36,080
the sense of being the same as the one

3946
02:46:40,059 --> 02:46:37,819
you're in you can set the physical lost

3947
02:46:42,010 --> 02:46:40,069
whatever you want them to be so what

3948
02:46:44,019 --> 02:46:42,020
passes for life inside those even though

3949
02:46:44,979 --> 02:46:44,029
it thinks it's alive and by any

3950
02:46:47,260 --> 02:46:44,989
reasonable standard would have to be

3951
02:46:49,530 --> 02:46:47,270
considered alive might not resemble the

3952
02:46:51,700 --> 02:46:49,540
universe it was simulated plum at all

3953
02:46:52,840 --> 02:46:51,710
you because that might be an experiment

3954
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:52,850
they were doing to see what strange

3955
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:55,850
things could actually produce life we

3956
02:46:59,439 --> 02:46:57,050
don't know about the higher level of

3957
02:47:01,179 --> 02:46:59,449
reality if it exists and I would tend to

3958
02:47:04,179 --> 02:47:01,189
argue that it's not really any more real

3959
02:47:07,719 --> 02:47:04,189
than at all there's not a new concept

3960
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:07,729
which is just dressing up in science mmm

3961
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:09,770
evidence is what matters for that though

3962
02:47:14,380 --> 02:47:12,890
and we don't have any evidence of it we

3963
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:14,390
don't have any evidence for yesterday

3964
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:16,010
and we probably can't actually get any

3965
02:47:21,609 --> 02:47:19,369
we will probably never know where life

3966
02:47:24,130 --> 02:47:21,619
started on earth well it was in a common

3967
02:47:25,479 --> 02:47:24,140
impact or thermo bent or tidal pool we

3968
02:47:27,880 --> 02:47:25,489
certainly aren't gonna know which one it

3969
02:47:29,979 --> 02:47:27,890
was and we would have no way to check to

3970
02:47:32,380 --> 02:47:29,989
see if somebody had done that so we can

3971
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:32,390
only logically in for that somebody

3972
02:47:36,219 --> 02:47:33,920
probably didn't do that because they

3973
02:47:38,620 --> 02:47:36,229
they'd still be around where we can see

3974
02:47:40,330 --> 02:47:38,630
in contact and what they wore but again

3975
02:47:43,389 --> 02:47:40,340
you could poke holes that argument very

3976
02:47:44,859 --> 02:47:43,399
easily to it's you can't conclude that

3977
02:47:46,809 --> 02:47:44,869
that's what happened you can really say

3978
02:47:49,540 --> 02:47:46,819
it's a possibility on the table mm-hmm

3979
02:47:53,849 --> 02:47:49,550
yeah and when I consider all of that and

3980
02:47:57,899 --> 02:47:53,859
especially when we when

3981
02:48:01,380 --> 02:47:57,909
when we are told by Orthodox academics

3982
02:48:03,719 --> 02:48:01,390
that you know Darwin and development and

3983
02:48:05,910 --> 02:48:03,729
evolution and where we are talking about

3984
02:48:06,450 --> 02:48:05,920
hundreds of millions of years in a bit

3985
02:48:09,179 --> 02:48:06,460
you know

3986
02:48:09,929 --> 02:48:09,189
our ancestors were fish but here we are

3987
02:48:12,779 --> 02:48:09,939
today

3988
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:12,789
well the reason why I poked holes in

3989
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:18,010
that is is common sense you and I Isaac

3990
02:48:25,800 --> 02:48:21,520
homo sapien sapien 150,000 years old

3991
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:25,810
that's it right that's it well there

3992
02:48:32,189 --> 02:48:29,680
isn't anything there isn't that of

3993
02:48:36,569 --> 02:48:32,199
course the missing link but there isn't

3994
02:48:39,420 --> 02:48:36,579
the slow development into us where we

3995
02:48:42,809 --> 02:48:39,430
just appeared here and that I I have a

3996
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:42,819
hard time accepting that we just appear

3997
02:48:47,790 --> 02:48:45,850
that suddenly one day there was

3998
02:48:51,059 --> 02:48:47,800
something else and that virtually

3999
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:51,069
overnight we are here and I I don't

4000
02:48:56,189 --> 02:48:53,850
understand how that is possible I

4001
02:48:57,840 --> 02:48:56,199
evolution doesn't always happen you know

4002
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:57,850
and it's kind of long progression thing

4003
02:49:01,830 --> 02:48:59,680
if you have a really radical mutation

4004
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:01,840
that that is actually useful and most on

4005
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:04,000
ours that can spread very quickly we

4006
02:49:07,649 --> 02:49:05,439
will say though that was very quick but

4007
02:49:09,059 --> 02:49:07,659
you know 150,000 years and that you

4008
02:49:10,859 --> 02:49:09,069
would only nail that down to maybe a

4009
02:49:12,300 --> 02:49:10,869
couple thousand years think about what

4010
02:49:13,859 --> 02:49:12,310
we've done in a thousand years

4011
02:49:15,149 --> 02:49:13,869
one thing about what some species of the

4012
02:49:16,979 --> 02:49:15,159
missing link that are the missing link

4013
02:49:19,529 --> 02:49:16,989
is a million your time gap that's a lot

4014
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:19,539
of stuff going on but were the only ones

4015
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:21,010
though that's the thing we're the only

4016
02:49:25,439 --> 02:49:23,770
ones on this planet that's it that don't

4017
02:49:27,240 --> 02:49:25,449
do what we do and there was an

4018
02:49:29,849 --> 02:49:27,250
exclusivity on that if you're the four

4019
02:49:32,189 --> 02:49:29,859
species that pops up somewhere you make

4020
02:49:33,929 --> 02:49:32,199
a holder for new ones to emerge now

4021
02:49:35,189 --> 02:49:33,939
that's not to say that we were the only

4022
02:49:37,740 --> 02:49:35,199
one of those look like they were maybe

4023
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:37,750
some other Homo sapiens well uh not

4024
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:39,130
homeless a me although hominid lines

4025
02:49:43,679 --> 02:49:40,810
that more poppy fairly intelligent to

4026
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:43,689
and we might have inbred with them all

4027
02:49:49,529 --> 02:49:46,479
Oh knock them out but we don't know they

4028
02:49:52,109 --> 02:49:49,539
say I know more data but we just don't

4029
02:49:54,149 --> 02:49:52,119
know and I I don't know full of we'll

4030
02:49:57,569 --> 02:49:54,159
find out you know I really don't which

4031
02:50:01,500 --> 02:49:57,579
takes me to my last question when it

4032
02:50:04,200 --> 02:50:01,510
comes to disclosure and in our UFO

4033
02:50:06,200 --> 02:50:04,210
community in the conspiracy community

4034
02:50:09,590 --> 02:50:06,210
disclosure the D word

4035
02:50:13,040 --> 02:50:09,600
is a really big deal and last year in

4036
02:50:14,750 --> 02:50:13,050
2018 we had a lot of UFOs in the

4037
02:50:17,180 --> 02:50:14,760
headlines and you know starting with the

4038
02:50:20,060 --> 02:50:17,190
New York Times and and everything that

4039
02:50:22,370 --> 02:50:20,070
happened last year it seemed like you

4040
02:50:24,110 --> 02:50:22,380
know the Pentagon and and somebody out

4041
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:24,120
there is feeding this information back

4042
02:50:29,660 --> 02:50:26,250
into the community make got to be out of

4043
02:50:32,150 --> 02:50:29,670
control with Fox and CNN and BBC and

4044
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:32,160
everybody reporting on this last year do

4045
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:34,560
you think that the government is sitting

4046
02:50:40,670 --> 02:50:38,010
on information that they are not

4047
02:50:44,440 --> 02:50:40,680
releasing to us when it comes to the et

4048
02:50:46,580 --> 02:50:44,450
question whether we are alone or not

4049
02:50:47,570 --> 02:50:46,590
there's good things with the caveat I'm

4050
02:50:49,390 --> 02:50:47,580
sure the government's sitting on

4051
02:50:51,860 --> 02:50:49,400
information we don't have access to

4052
02:50:53,630 --> 02:50:51,870
whether that's military secrets so

4053
02:50:55,460 --> 02:50:53,640
extraterrestrials or just you know

4054
02:50:56,960 --> 02:50:55,470
individual like I have my wide walked

4055
02:50:58,580 --> 02:50:56,970
with some secret stuff back in the past

4056
02:51:01,070 --> 02:50:58,590
and it was usually something very

4057
02:51:03,560 --> 02:51:01,080
mundane like a specific frequency that

4058
02:51:07,340 --> 02:51:03,570
this airplane would be emitting at when

4059
02:51:08,810 --> 02:51:07,350
there's a high speed when we find that

4060
02:51:09,860 --> 02:51:08,820
that you know I can't speculate is what

4061
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:09,870
we're gonna find in those because we

4062
02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:12,210
don't have it yet and one of the things

4063
02:51:16,580 --> 02:51:14,250
I always objective folks do and is is

4064
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:16,590
assuming that you know there's not gonna

4065
02:51:20,480 --> 02:51:18,720
be something they are assuming

4066
02:51:21,860 --> 02:51:20,490
something's they oh that's bad too but

4067
02:51:23,300 --> 02:51:21,870
there is a habit of always assuming

4068
02:51:25,580 --> 02:51:23,310
there's nothing they are from the

4069
02:51:27,860 --> 02:51:25,590
skeptic angle and that's not good

4070
02:51:29,540 --> 02:51:27,870
skepticism you wait until you have the

4071
02:51:31,670 --> 02:51:29,550
information and then you draw

4072
02:51:33,440 --> 02:51:31,680
conclusions from that information you

4073
02:51:36,430 --> 02:51:33,450
check if that information is valid and

4074
02:51:38,330 --> 02:51:36,440
until you have it it's it's it's

4075
02:51:39,980 --> 02:51:38,340
fundamentally wrong from a scientific

4076
02:51:41,719 --> 02:51:39,990
perspective to be speculating on we

4077
02:51:43,490 --> 02:51:41,729
don't know what it says yet mm-hmm when

4078
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:43,500
we do when we have that information we

4079
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:46,080
check its validity we try to test its

4080
02:51:50,360 --> 02:51:48,210
validity in in whatever ways we can come

4081
02:51:52,280 --> 02:51:50,370
up with and then we draw conclusions off

4082
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:52,290
that and whatever those conclusions say

4083
02:51:56,719 --> 02:51:54,720
all the ones we had to go with if

4084
02:51:58,430 --> 02:51:56,729
they're good conclusions those might get

4085
02:51:59,750 --> 02:51:58,440
knocked out 10 years later by a second

4086
02:52:00,980 --> 02:51:59,760
round of disclosure or more recent

4087
02:52:02,660 --> 02:52:00,990
information you know you always got

4088
02:52:06,050 --> 02:52:02,670
secrets or that stays secret because

4089
02:52:08,990 --> 02:52:06,060
they're time sensitive I don't expect to

4090
02:52:11,360 --> 02:52:09,000
see anything they are poor say but we'll

4091
02:52:14,810 --> 02:52:11,370
see we will see when we find out what it

4092
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:14,820
says with all of the we were just

4093
02:52:17,580 --> 02:52:16,170
talking about science fiction in the

4094
02:52:20,520 --> 02:52:17,590
gaming community

4095
02:52:23,370 --> 02:52:20,530
and that entire genre as big as it is

4096
02:52:26,460 --> 02:52:23,380
and consider the rest of the planet and

4097
02:52:28,830 --> 02:52:26,470
forget about our UFO community we're

4098
02:52:30,599 --> 02:52:28,840
already believers were okay with it but

4099
02:52:33,599 --> 02:52:30,609
with everything that happened with the

4100
02:52:36,300 --> 02:52:33,609
New York Times and that explosion of the

4101
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:36,310
the et question that went out nobody

4102
02:52:40,139 --> 02:52:38,800
jumped off any buildings Isaac right

4103
02:52:42,360 --> 02:52:40,149
that's one things that always gets me

4104
02:52:43,500 --> 02:52:42,370
say well maybe the aliens are staying

4105
02:52:46,920 --> 02:52:43,510
away from us because they're worried but

4106
02:52:48,300 --> 02:52:46,930
have shock I think the poor was like

4107
02:52:49,679 --> 02:52:48,310
half the population believes an

4108
02:52:51,660 --> 02:52:49,689
intelligent alien life while they

4109
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:51,670
believe it's busy or not right and I'm

4110
02:52:54,270 --> 02:52:52,960
actually one of the rare exceptions that

4111
02:52:56,340 --> 02:52:54,280
I don't think it's around just cuz I'm

4112
02:52:58,920 --> 02:52:56,350
sure we have seen it in a more overt

4113
02:53:00,510 --> 02:52:58,930
fashion but I wouldn't find it shocking

4114
02:53:02,099 --> 02:53:00,520
I always took as a given that they were

4115
02:53:03,990 --> 02:53:02,109
intelligent species all over the place

4116
02:53:06,660 --> 02:53:04,000
until I thought on it more the phony

4117
02:53:08,610 --> 02:53:06,670
paradox angles that wooden rock my I

4118
02:53:10,230 --> 02:53:08,620
mean I'm sure be rather shocked you know

4119
02:53:12,750 --> 02:53:10,240
you can you can believe in something and

4120
02:53:14,820 --> 02:53:12,760
the Bible use has come face to face with

4121
02:53:17,280 --> 02:53:14,830
you it is a little bit different I I

4122
02:53:18,810 --> 02:53:17,290
imagine what caused quite the firestorm

4123
02:53:20,940 --> 02:53:18,820
but I don't think it would be a

4124
02:53:23,880 --> 02:53:20,950
civilization wrecking event and probably

4125
02:53:26,250 --> 02:53:23,890
old news by the end of the year I I

4126
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:26,260
agree with you know I think it takes 15

4127
02:53:32,580 --> 02:53:29,920
minutes to become old news yeah it's it

4128
02:53:34,830 --> 02:53:32,590
would cycle because you use the example

4129
02:53:36,450 --> 02:53:34,840
of death you know the denial phase the

4130
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:36,460
acceptance phase and stop those happen

4131
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:39,330
was they keep cycling over get on you

4132
02:53:45,420 --> 02:53:42,880
but is it because is it because of

4133
02:53:48,360 --> 02:53:45,430
people like you and and the gaming

4134
02:53:50,490 --> 02:53:48,370
community and the movies and Hollywood

4135
02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:50,500
and in science fiction where we are just

4136
02:53:56,520 --> 02:53:53,770
acclimated now I think though to degree

4137
02:53:58,920 --> 02:53:56,530
now humans are bio very nature very

4138
02:54:00,540 --> 02:53:58,930
adaptable nor thinking you know we we I

4139
02:54:01,860 --> 02:54:00,550
mean people forget this we always used

4140
02:54:03,690 --> 02:54:01,870
to believe they were other intelligent

4141
02:54:06,090 --> 02:54:03,700
life-forms in ourselves on this planet

4142
02:54:08,099 --> 02:54:06,100
until relatively recently that's a new

4143
02:54:09,929 --> 02:54:08,109
thing that we you know there was nothing

4144
02:54:12,330 --> 02:54:09,939
shocking about the idea of a Yeti to the

4145
02:54:13,650 --> 02:54:12,340
people of ancient Europe you know right

4146
02:54:16,500 --> 02:54:13,660
whether or not they happened to be even

4147
02:54:19,290 --> 02:54:16,510
that one specifically this phase that

4148
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:19,300
we're going through right now which may

4149
02:54:23,790 --> 02:54:20,560
possessed you know again there might be

4150
02:54:25,590 --> 02:54:23,800
nothing there but I don't think we'd be

4151
02:54:27,630 --> 02:54:25,600
overwhelmed by it but it does help to

4152
02:54:30,030 --> 02:54:27,640
acclimate here and say with with science

4153
02:54:30,520 --> 02:54:30,040
fiction that's part of the feedback loop

4154
02:54:32,381 --> 02:54:30,530
that how

4155
02:54:34,810 --> 02:54:32,391
justkeep we incorporate these new ideas

4156
02:54:36,400 --> 02:54:34,820
we ponder them we contemplate them we

4157
02:54:37,450 --> 02:54:36,410
come up with things we never expected

4158
02:54:40,631 --> 02:54:37,460
out of it so you know one's gonna

4159
02:54:43,390 --> 02:54:40,641
predict a smartphone right and we adjust

4160
02:54:45,100 --> 02:54:43,400
and it can be it does have an effect you

4161
02:54:47,080 --> 02:54:45,110
can't just say that it's you know if we

4162
02:54:49,240 --> 02:54:47,090
find aliens tomorrow or they land on the

4163
02:54:52,091 --> 02:54:49,250
White House front lawn yeah that's gonna

4164
02:54:54,220 --> 02:54:52,101
be very big news and still gonna be big

4165
02:54:56,470 --> 02:54:54,230
again I think it would be about 15

4166
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:56,480
minutes it would be at live on TV and

4167
02:55:01,030 --> 02:54:58,160
then Trump's gonna step out and go get

4168
02:55:03,370 --> 02:55:01,040
this thing off of my lawn yeah you know

4169
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:03,380
it's blocking traffic on Pennsylvania

4170
02:55:06,730 --> 02:55:05,120
Avenue and you think about the effect

4171
02:55:08,470 --> 02:55:06,740
and I say so how long is it gonna be

4172
02:55:09,940 --> 02:55:08,480
before somebody invites them to go to

4173
02:55:11,620 --> 02:55:09,950
their restaurant because they want them

4174
02:55:13,330 --> 02:55:11,630
to be the force we say on the alien

4175
02:55:14,711 --> 02:55:13,340
visitors came to my restaurant forced

4176
02:55:17,261 --> 02:55:14,721
that's all I'm doing

4177
02:55:20,140 --> 02:55:17,271
you know we all bio date your practical

4178
02:55:22,240 --> 02:55:20,150
creatures so what's up what's up next

4179
02:55:25,301 --> 02:55:22,250
for you what what's your next video

4180
02:55:26,801 --> 02:55:25,311
release what's the subject of making

4181
02:55:28,211 --> 02:55:26,811
Sons actually that's the Thursday

4182
02:55:30,850 --> 02:55:28,221
episode is gonna be about how you could

4183
02:55:32,320 --> 02:55:30,860
make stalls if you want to and some

4184
02:55:34,780 --> 02:55:32,330
variations you might make that be better

4185
02:55:35,980 --> 02:55:34,790
than the naturally occurring ones which

4186
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:35,990
be interesting what if we start seeing

4187
02:55:39,400 --> 02:55:37,610
so us popping up where they didn't used

4188
02:55:42,190 --> 02:55:39,410
to exist before and it's in the cosmos

4189
02:55:43,690 --> 02:55:42,200
and it's another one was great exams or

4190
02:55:45,610 --> 02:55:43,700
say it's not as they all that high tech

4191
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:45,620
technology helps it's just brute force

4192
02:55:50,200 --> 02:55:48,290
and maybe you don't have to spend years

4193
02:55:51,940 --> 02:55:50,210
traveling to other solar systems cuz you

4194
02:55:56,171 --> 02:55:51,950
just build your own solar system's

4195
02:55:58,511 --> 02:55:56,181
closer at hand how often do you do are

4196
02:56:01,211 --> 02:55:58,521
you like on a week-to-week production

4197
02:56:04,480 --> 02:56:01,221
schedule uh yeah we we do the weekly

4198
02:56:06,190 --> 02:56:04,490
episode on Thursday mornings and we do

4199
02:56:07,751 --> 02:56:06,200
in case you do extra bonus episodes or

4200
02:56:09,310 --> 02:56:07,761
livestreams interviews that kind of

4201
02:56:10,570 --> 02:56:09,320
thing but we always have an episode

4202
02:56:13,780 --> 02:56:10,580
every Thursday

4203
02:56:16,511 --> 02:56:13,790
it's a else's their bonus and I don't

4204
02:56:18,040 --> 02:56:16,521
think we missed one and actually I think

4205
02:56:21,430 --> 02:56:18,050
we never missed one since we start doing

4206
02:56:23,530 --> 02:56:21,440
a weekly I said absolutely absolutely

4207
02:56:26,470 --> 02:56:23,540
incredible work that you do and for

4208
02:56:29,051 --> 02:56:26,480
myself and our audience here I want to

4209
02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:29,061
thank you because you've managed to

4210
02:56:34,900 --> 02:56:31,610
crank out not only a large volume of

4211
02:56:36,131 --> 02:56:34,910
material but just absolutely fascinating

4212
02:56:38,261 --> 02:56:36,141
and well researched

4213
02:56:41,591 --> 02:56:38,271
no thank you for so much for having me

4214
02:56:43,301 --> 02:56:41,601
on - and we're gonna have you out the

4215
02:56:44,341 --> 02:56:43,311
next time around everybody I'm just

4216
02:56:47,671 --> 02:56:44,351
gonna let you know we're going to

4217
02:56:51,571 --> 02:56:47,681
the Fermi paradox and it'll be the

4218
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:51,581
entire show maybe we'll have to do a

4219
02:56:56,671 --> 02:56:53,530
two-parter just like you've done yeah

4220
02:56:59,310 --> 02:56:56,681
your your commercial material is so much

4221
02:57:01,440 --> 02:56:59,320
so much material Isaac thank you so much

4222
02:57:02,821 --> 02:57:01,450
and we'll talk to you very soon

4223
02:57:05,041 --> 02:57:02,831
but thank you for taking the time

4224
02:57:07,921 --> 02:57:05,051
tonight looking forward to it thanks for

4225
02:57:10,350 --> 02:57:07,931
having me on Isaac Arthur and everybody

4226
02:57:12,661 --> 02:57:10,360
just go to Isaac I thank you Isaac Isaac

4227
02:57:15,060 --> 02:57:12,671
Arthur dotnet the links are over at

4228
02:57:16,621 --> 02:57:15,070
Jimmy Church radio.com and I think we

4229
02:57:18,991 --> 02:57:16,631
might have his YouTube channel up there

4230
02:57:21,631 --> 02:57:19,001
too as well but of course it is over at

4231
02:57:23,551 --> 02:57:21,641
isaac arthur dotnet fascinating

4232
02:57:25,110 --> 02:57:23,561
conversation now I got to remind

4233
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:25,120
everybody what's going on this week

4234
02:57:29,730 --> 02:57:27,610
tomorrow night Caroline Ford will be

4235
02:57:31,951 --> 02:57:29,740
here we're going to discuss of course

4236
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:31,961
for the first time Einstein the ancient

4237
02:57:36,511 --> 02:57:34,570
crystal skull of consciousness that'll

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be tomorrow night Wednesday night David

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Wilcock is here we're going to take a

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little look at 2018 the year that was

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but we're gonna look straight forward

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into disclosure and the Great Awakening

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for 2019

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that'll be Wednesday night Thursday

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night is another Fator night Teresa

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Harris is going to be here divine

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frequency on the airwaves followed by

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open lines all night long with that I'm

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gonna get out of here thank you - Isaac

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Arthur once again a fascinating perfect

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conversation tonight I'm your host Jimmy

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Church fade to black

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executive producer is Rita Kumari on

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webmaster is drew the geek music doug

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thank you - Isaac Arthur Isaac

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Arthur dotnet this broadcast zona

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GameChanger Network armies Jimmy Church

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safe